Transvox - The Cass Report - Our thoughts....

[00:00:00] Hi, a fawr i'n bwysig i'r Transvox.

[00:00:11] A bydd y cwrs o'r tîm yn ei gweithio'r ffordd, gen, ydy'r cyfnod y bydd yn mynd i'r ffordd

[00:00:17] nad oeddwn i'n cyfrifio ar gyfer y byddwn i'n gweithio'r ffordd am ymwyaf a'r ffordd

[00:00:21] o'r mynd i'r ffordd o'n cyfrifio ar gyfer y byddwn i'n gweithio, oherwydd o'r

[00:00:25] ydych chi'n dweud o'r pethau yng Nghymru a'r llyfrgellydd, ac yn ymlaen i'r llyfrgellydd, ac mae'n gweithio'r gwaith

[00:00:30] sy'n dweud bod yna'n fawr syniad o'r fawr o'r cyflym o'r cyflogol oherwydd yma yw'r gweithio'r

[00:00:37] cyffredinol, o'r cyflogol o'r cyffredinol, oherwydd yma yna'n gweithio'r cyffredinol.

[00:00:41] A'n dweud i'n ffordd i'n fwyaf yw'n ei gyfnodd ymlaen i'r gwneud hynny i'r ffordd i'r

[00:00:46] a dyna ni'n ceisio i yw ei gwynhau.

[00:00:49] Ie ddim yn cydwyntio peirloedd ymgyrchol yn ei gweld y dyma i gael'r hynny.

[00:00:53] Yn gyfnodd, mae hi'n gweithio'n gweithio, mae hynny'n cyrddyn nhw'n cydwydd

[00:00:57] ymgyrchol yn y cydwyddu sy'n cydwyddu o ddesgrifennu ar yr ystodol ym Mwrdd Rhywun.

[00:01:05] Mae gweithio i ddwyng i'r rhai, felly ei hwn yn gweithio'n cydwyddu.

[00:01:09] Fyny'n gweithio'n cydwyddu?

[00:01:11] yna, mae'r drwg a'n gyfrifio'r gweithredu yn y gweithredu,

[00:01:17] ond mae'n rywbeth sydd wedi, fel ei ffunio i'r ffordd.

[00:01:22] Mae'r gweithredu wedi cael ei ffodol.

[00:01:26] Mae'n meddwl yn ei wneud o'r gwybod ar hyn oedd y gweithredu,

[00:01:29] ac mae'n gweithredu.

[00:01:31] Mae'n gweithredu, mae'n gweithredu.

[00:01:35] Mae'n gweithredu, yn fawr, oherwydd o'r

[00:01:41] yma, mae'n gweithio'n gwybod, yw'r hyn sy'n fawr, ychydig yn ddod y dyfodol, a'r fawr yw'r ystafell, a'r fawr,

[00:01:51] ac mae'r fawr yn ymddi'r fawr, mae'n cymryd yw'r ysgolion ar ymddangos.

[00:01:57] A'n mynd i'n fath o'r ffyrdd ymlaen i'r ddweudio'r ddweudio,

[00:02:00] mae'r 388-paid yw'r cyffredinol, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio, oherwydd mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio,

[00:02:06] a'n meddwl 32 ychydig.

[00:02:08] Ac mae'n fawr i'n dweud

[00:02:09] y bydd y cwmplwch, y bydd y pethau

[00:02:12] ychydig, y pethau

[00:02:14] a'r fawr i'r gael, a'r fawr i'r gael,

[00:02:16] a'r fawr i'r gael yn ymwneud

[00:02:18] o amlwg o transrydau

[00:02:20] ac ydy'r fawr i'r gael.

[00:02:21] Ac mae'n ffaswn i'n gwybod

[00:02:22] os hefyd yn arddangos i gynnwys

[00:02:24] ac mae'n fawr i'r gweithio

[00:02:26] mae'n gweithio ar y cyflwyno

[00:02:27] ac mae'n gweithio ar y cyflwyno

[00:02:29] Ie, ac yn dweud y dyma, yn roedd y cwymor yn fawr, i fanyl eich bod yn ymweld yn y mwyaf'r gwaith ar hyn.

[00:02:34] Efallai yn ymweld yn ymweld yn ymweld yn ymweld yn ymweld yn ymweld.

[00:02:37] Yn ymweld, ond ydych chi'n rhaid i'r cyhofiad yn ymweld, ymweld yn gwybod hynny ymweld yn ymweld yn ymweld.

[00:02:42] Rwy'n credu bod y pwysig oherwydd.

[00:02:44] Mae agnestion iawn, mae'n credu, yn cyflawn ac mae'n gwneud ydych chi ymweld.

[00:02:48] Ie, ond y gallai gael ymddangos, ond ond ond yn ei ddweud.

[00:02:51] Rwy'n credu bod y ffordd o'r cyffredin iawn,

[00:02:54] bydd y cyffredin iawn ar y cyffredin iawn,

[00:03:00] a'r cyffredin iawn ar y cyffredin iawn,

[00:03:01] a'r cyffredin iawn ar gyfer y cyffredin iawn,

[00:03:07] yn y ffordd.

[00:03:10] Mae'n cael ei ddweud,

[00:03:12] mae'r cyffredin iawn ar gyffredin iawn.

[00:03:15] Maen nhw yna'r dros yn bwysig presgol.

[00:03:19] RY Mŷsgol yn ei wneud di'n bwysig a'r ysgol yn frybiau ar gyfer gweithredu gynnig sy'n gynnal.

[00:03:24] That's been brought by people with an absolutely anti-transgender based by groups

[00:03:34] who want to abolish trans people. Activists have said they do

[00:03:37] not want us to have any place in society where there are people in this country and in America.

[00:03:43] ac mae'n dweud i'r ffordd y bwysigol, a'r SROD yn ymhwyl i wirio'r bwysigol,

[00:03:50] ond mae'n gwybod i'n ddiddordeb gyda'i gwaith, ond mae'n gweithio eich bod ymddangos,

[00:03:54] ond mae'n gweithio a'n gweithio i'r gwneud o'r rhai a'i rhaid, a'r hynny mae'n ddim ymddangos

[00:03:59] i'r dysgwys yma yn hynny, fe'n ddweud i'n gweithio.

[00:04:04] Ond mae'n ddiwethaf i'n ddim i'ch gwneud o'r cyhoedd.

[00:04:07] y ffordd hynny yn ymweld, oherwydd mae hynny yn ymweld y cyfnodd, a'u ffordd hynny'n ddaf yn ddweud fel y gwaith yma.

[00:04:14] Felly, ydych chi'n gweithio o'r dyma, yna'n gweithio o'r dyma.

[00:04:19] Mae'r dyma yn ymweld yma.

[00:04:22] Mae'n gweithio, oherwydd, yn ddechrau, yna'n gweithio ar gyfer yr aethau os yw.

[00:04:27] Rydych chi'n dweud i'r ymweld, mae'n dweud i'r dyma.

[00:04:33] Y dweud tawr a'r cyfnod yn ymgyrch gwybodaeth â'r cyfnod i ddechrau ddechrau,

[00:04:39] ddylai'r ddemogi a'r cyfnod,

[00:04:41] dwi'n rhan o'n cael ei ddechrau.

[00:04:44] Mae'r cyfnod yn ymgyrch ar y position yw yw'r cyflodau.

[00:04:47] Dwi i'n rhan o gymryd â'r ddechrau, dwi'n ddweud a'r cyflodau.

[00:04:51] A'i ddweud, mae'r cyflodau yn gyrfa ar gyfer y ddechrau,

[00:04:54] mae'r cyfnod y ddechrau a'r cyfnod yn ddechrau,

[00:04:57] mae'n argyntdo'n gydag y bydd.

[00:04:58] Ewch chi'n ddim yn arddangos, a wedi bod hi'n ysgrifennu hynny yn ddechrau'n meddwl y pethau.

[00:05:05] Mae'n ddim yn sgwrs ar hyn o'r pethau.

[00:05:08] Felly, mae hwn yn i'r unrhyw o holl ddim ond mae'r rhan fydd yn erbyn o'r gwaith.

[00:05:14] Rwy'n ddigon nhw.

[00:05:15] Mae oedd gennym ni i'r hyn oherwydd, ac mae'n gwybod i'r rhan fydd yn ganun i'r ysgrifennu'n gwybod.

[00:05:22] Nod, mae'n meddwl amser, ac mae'n meddwl i chi'n ddim yn ei ddweud oherwydd yng nghymru.

[00:05:28] Llyfrgellwch ar ddweud, maen nhw'n dweud, ond nid o'r dweud, ond y dweud yn dweud yn dweud.

[00:05:35] A mae'n dweud o'r ddweud, y dyfodd.

[00:05:37] Mae'r ddweud i'w ddweud, ychydig yw 100,000 o'r ddweud i'r ddweud,

[00:05:41] a ddweud 5,000 o'r ddweud o ddweud,

[00:05:44] sy'n gweithio'n ddweud.

[00:05:47] Mae'n ddweud i'r rhan o'r opositiadau,

[00:05:51] yn ddweud o'r trans cyffredinol ac yn ddweud.

[00:05:54] Ac mae'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i gael y problemol.

[00:05:56] Mae'n mynd i gael...

[00:05:58] Efallai gydag ymdweud ymdweud eich mwy o'r ddiolch ar y diweddau.

[00:06:04] A rwy'n meddwl ychydig cy除ed â'r diweddau i'r adroddau yn dweudio.

[00:06:08] A byddwch yn ymgyrch yn ymgrifiadau a gfyrdd a gyrdd.

[00:06:12] Yn amser, mae'r ddweudio ym mwy oherwydd yw'r dda,

[00:06:14] mae'r ddweudio yn fwy oherwydd,

[00:06:16] ond mae'r ddweudio yn fwy oherwydd i'r ddweud.

[00:06:18] a dweud, a'r ymarfer a'r hyn mae'n dweud cael ei ddesyn neu arno.

[00:06:21] Maen nhw, mae'n mynd i'r wneud.

[00:06:22] Ond yna'r ddweud?

[00:06:25] Mae hyn yn ei fod yn ymddangos yn fawr.

[00:06:28] Dyna'r llei ymddangos yn gyfliadol,

[00:06:31] lle i'r llei sydd yn ymddangos yn ymddangos,

[00:06:34] sydd yn ymddangos yn gyfliadol,

[00:06:37] mae'n ei fyddi'r llei.

[00:06:39] Mae'n gweld y twyd yn ei wneud ar y dyfod,

[00:06:40] sy'r cyfan y ddechrau,

[00:06:44] Ac mae'r ddweud yn y gallu o'r rhaid i ddweud o'r rhaid i'w adroddau o'r amser o'r adroddau ar y 25.

[00:06:54] Ac mae'r ddweud o'r llai ymlaen nhw.

[00:06:56] Rwy'n cael ei ddweud o'r ymlaen nhw, dwi'n cael ei wneud o'r pryd yn dweud o'r 25,

[00:07:02] a'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ymlaen nhw, dwi'n cael ei ddweud o'r 25,

[00:07:05] a yw'r parwysau, y dyfodol yn fawr yn fawr, mae'n ddweud hynny'n oes gyd yn eich bodi'n gweithio'r

[00:07:12] ddechrau. Mae'r parwysau i siwr er fawr o'r cyngor, yn gyntaf sydd wedi'i gynnigol,

[00:07:17] a rydw i fyng o bryd, dyna'n ddweud nad yw'n ysgrifennu gwneud, ond rwy'n mynd o wneud,

[00:07:23] ynghylch yn gallu beth cyd-dillwerd i'n gweithio'r gwaith, ac yn cael eu ddweud o'r fawr o'r

[00:07:28] i ddim yn fydd. Rydyn ni'n fath o'i bod yw'r hyfforddiol sydd wedi'u wneud o'i gwyfaffodol i gweithio'r byw yn y mawr.

[00:07:39] A'i gydig oedd yma dros yw'n ffordd oherwydd mae'n ddweud, roedd yma,

[00:07:42] ond yw'n ddweud o'r byw, ond rydyn ni'n gwybod, rydyn ni'n ddweud, rydyn ni'n ddweud.

[00:07:48] Gydig oedd weithio. Rydyn ni'n adeg. Rydyn ni'n ddweud. Rydyn ni'n ddweud.

[00:07:53] A mynd i chi'n gwneud y cyflawn, oedd y gweithio'r ddafni, ond mae'n gofyn oedd y mynd i'n gweithio'r gweithio.

[00:08:01] Yn y gallwn, when we try and push back, we're told that we're just pushing back.

[00:08:05] So, yes, if I may have said things at times that maybe I would have phrasing a different way,

[00:08:11] but we're the ones that's being attacked, that the war has been brought to us,

[00:08:14] we're the ones that have been, we weren't 15 years ago.

[00:08:17] ond mae'r rhaid, mae'n meddwl y gallwn i'w ffollow-on yn ysgrifennu.

[00:08:24] Yn ystod, mae'n meddwl i'w bwysig o pubitybloch,

[00:08:27] y ddweud o pubitybloch, sy'n meddwl i'r meddwl i'r meddwl

[00:08:31] a'r hynny'n meddwl i'r bwysig o'r pethau sydd yn ysgrifennu

[00:08:35] yn ymgyrchol i'r cyfrifesau ac yn ysgrifennu.

[00:08:38] Mae'n gwneud, gwneud, ychydig o bwysig o ddweud,

[00:08:40] yn ymgyrchol i America ac yn ysgrifennu yn ysgrifennu

[00:08:43] yn ystafell, ac mae'r ysgol iawn yn ymgyrch ac ar gyfer y cyfynodol yn y system i'r ysgol iawn.

[00:08:48] Mae'n oed yn Sgollnd, oherwydd dyna'n gweithio i'w ddwylo.

[00:08:50] Yn ystafell England yn ystafell, dwi'n ddweud y gallwn ni'n gweithio.

[00:08:54] A oeddynt dwi'n ddweud yma, oherwydd mae wedi'n urchelio'r busau chyfodol,

[00:09:00] a dwi wedi bod ni'n ddweud yma sy'n ddweud yr ysgol.

[00:09:04] Ond nid yw'r amser, rydym yn gwneud y ddechrau o'r unig

[00:09:09] a'r ystod o'r cyffredinol?

[00:09:12] Mae'n drwy'n fawr, mae'n fawr o'r gweithio.

[00:09:14] A dyna'r gweithio'n gweithio'n rhan o'u cyfrifiadau

[00:09:18] o'r LBTQ-bosg cymuned.

[00:09:21] Yn y cyfrifiadau, mae'n rhan o'r cyfrifiadau

[00:09:24] o'r cyfrifiadau o'r cyfrifiadau

[00:09:27] a oedd yn cyfrifiadau o'r cyfrifiadau

[00:09:29] o'r cyfrifiadau o'r cyfrifiadau.

[00:09:31] Felly, mae wedi bod eich bod yn ymddangos o unedig, a pham rhywbeth, mae bryd a dweud yn ymweld iawn.

[00:09:39] Felly, mae'n gwneud o'r Ymericaeth a dwi'n ei fod yn lle.

[00:09:43] Mae'n dweud o'r cyflwyno, mae'n dweud yn gwneud...

[00:09:48] Felly, mae'n dweud i'n dweud, a chylo i'n ffwrdd fel ydw i'n bwyd,

[00:09:52] mae'n gweithio, mae'n arweinydd yw'r comentariadau, mae'n dweud.

[00:09:57] Mae'n rhaid i'r ddweud o'r stwyff yn America yw'r hynny'n gweithio'r lawu bwysigol iawn.

[00:10:03] Mae'n allan o'r peth.

[00:10:04] Mae'n rhaid i'r bwysigol iawn i'r bwysigol iawn i'r bwysigol iawn i'r bwysigol iawn i'r trans.

[00:10:08] Mae'n ffynu'r cymdeithasol yn ymddangos,

[00:10:11] mae'n defnyddio'n cael ei wneud.

[00:10:16] Mae'r ddechrau yn ystod yn ysgrifennu,

[00:10:18] ond mae'n ddechrau yn ysgrifennu yn ysgrifennu yn ysgrifennu yn ysgrifennu.

[00:10:21] Mae'n bwysigol i'w mewn lluniaeth,

[00:10:24] yn rhoi ffynu gwledig yn bryd ag anfer inni,

[00:10:25] a i ni'n ffynu'r bwysigol iawn.

[00:10:28] Rwy'n rheif yn bwysigol i ddaeth

[00:10:30] mae'n mynd i ddim yn ei ddim yn rhai.

[00:10:34] Mae'n rhaid i ddaeth yn rhai i chi.

[00:10:39] Er nesaf, rydyn ni'n sefydlu'r gwasiano'n.

[00:10:41] Felly mae'n mynd i ddim yn ysgrifennu.

[00:10:43] Felly mae'n rhaid i ddim yn ei ddweud.

[00:10:45] Felly mae'n rhaid i ddim yn rhaid i ddechrau,

[00:10:47] ddim i ddim yn dros bob gweithio.

[00:10:49] Felly, mae'n gweithio i'r ffan ar ymddangos erin yn y fawr,

[00:10:51] sy'n dweud y gweithio'n gweithio.

[00:10:53] A rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r ffwrdd yn fawr,

[00:10:56] a'r cyfnod yn gwneud yn ymddangosio'r cyfnod.

[00:10:58] A mae'r cyfnod yn ymddangosio'r cyfnod yma.

[00:11:02] Mae Arin yn ddod yw'r rhaid o'r reifwyr

[00:11:06] yn ymdweud o'r 100 o'r ffordd o'r cyfnod

[00:11:09] o'r cyfnod yma.

[00:11:11] Felly, mae'r cyfnod yma yw'r cyfnod

[00:11:14] yma'r cyffredig ar gyfer gweithio gweithio'r cyffredig yn cael ei helpu.

[00:11:18] A mae'n gofyn yn llwy ffordd, ac yn fawr,

[00:11:21] mae'n ffamil y gallai bod y Cyfrifod Casse

[00:11:24] Cyfrifod Casse wedi'u cyfrifod ar y cwestiwn

[00:11:27] o'r cyfrifod Casse

[00:11:30] ar y cwestiwn hwnnw,

[00:11:32] ar y cwestiwn cyfrifod Casse,

[00:11:35] ond yw'r cyfrifod Casse.

[00:11:37] Yn ymgyrch,

[00:11:39] yma'r Cyfrifod Cyfrifod Casse,

[00:11:41] ac yn y cyfrifod Casse,

[00:11:42] dyma'r idea peithio'r parwysau Patrick Hunter,

[00:11:45] sy'n gweithio'r llwyffedig hwnnw ymlaen.

[00:11:48] Fawr y dyma ond, rydyn ni'n cyhoedd ysgrifenio,

[00:11:53] ond rydyn ni wedi gweld bod y trafnion yn bach arfod.

[00:11:55] Fawr ysgrifenedio'r bydd yn bach arfod,

[00:11:56] mewn oed oed o'r anzail, ysgrifenedio, ysgrifenedio,

[00:11:58] a rydych chi'n clywed.

[00:12:00] Rydyn ni'n cyflwyno i ddim yn ardal,

[00:12:02] rydyn ni'n cyflwyno o'r anzail ymlaen.

[00:12:06] a'r newidau ydw i'r hyn yw, ond yna yw'r byddai ffyrdd yn newidau ydw i'r fyrdd.

[00:12:11] Felly, mae oherwydd mae'n cyd-fyrdd ymlaen, mae'n cyd-fyrdd.

[00:12:14] Mae'n cyd-fyrdd ydw i'r newidau ydw i.

[00:12:16] Rwy'n meddwl gael y ddechrau yn ffordd, ac mae'n dweud o'r oedd o'r ysgrifennu,

[00:12:21] ond mae'n dweud o fe wneud o'r ysgrifennu.

[00:12:25] Felly, o'r hyn o'r oedd o'r oedd o'r ysgrifennu,

[00:12:28] fel yw dwy wedi gydag yw'r Greifwyr, y peth sydd gennyn, yn osg y bod hyn y gallu mewn'r cynnig.

[00:12:34] Fe oed yn gweithio i swyddem, rydych yn allan yn y Wesley liken company,

[00:12:39] sy'n uch chi'n dod o'n gwneud yn bellach sphin symud oherwydd y safith yn edryd ym ni,

[00:12:43] byddsod mwy yw beth mae hynny dweud yn y mae'r seigwr,

[00:12:46] flynyn iawn am gyflym, hefyd ac mae'r maes cysylltu i'r cyfranteiniol a chi'n wentlyg mewn hefyd.

[00:12:51] gyda'r rhaid i ni

[00:12:54] yn neud o brydgwr o'i bydd y trafnadau

[00:12:59] yn cael ei bod yn ei wneud enthwynt cyflwylus

[00:13:02] oherwydd mae'r rhaid i ni?

[00:13:04] negortio'r cyfarwm iawnb am trafnadau

[00:13:08] yn cael ei gyflymu?

[00:13:10] Ond mae'n rhaid o'n rhaid i ni

[00:13:12] fydd eich bod

[00:13:14] bydd eich bod yn ll whiskorol

[00:13:16] i ni'n mwyciio

[00:13:19] Yn mynd i, mae'r ddweud yn ffordd.

[00:13:21] Mae'r ddechrau, fel yw'r adon, dwi'n ddim yn faniwyr hynny.

[00:13:25] Mae'r ddweud yn hynny.

[00:13:27] Felly, rydw i ddim yn gwneud y gwybod o'r ddymarfodd sydd.

[00:13:29] Felly, mae'r ddweud yn gwneud y gwybod,

[00:13:33] mae'r ddweud yn y ddweud yn cael ei wneud,

[00:13:35] mae'r ddweud yn ei ddefnyddio'u ddysgu,

[00:13:37] mae'n ddweud yn gwneud ond gallwch chi'n gofyn.

[00:13:39] Mae'r ddweud yn eu ffordd.

[00:13:41] I read that with horror in some way.

[00:13:46] I think this is fascinating isn't it?

[00:13:48] Because as you said, in order to look at this,

[00:13:52] there's this claim of lack of efficacy.

[00:13:55] So what they're saying is that being treated to be trans

[00:14:00] is irrelevant because it doesn't help and it's irrelevant

[00:14:04] and it shouldn't be happening.

[00:14:05] But they've ignored between 50 and 101 articles

[00:14:09] which prove that to be true.

[00:14:11] And what they've also proved were complete causation.

[00:14:17] Can never say the other one.

[00:14:21] What they're saying is that anxiety, depression,

[00:14:23] all those different things comes from not having treatment,

[00:14:27] not the other way around.

[00:14:29] The causation is the other way around.

[00:14:30] So people are more likely to have mental health issues

[00:14:34] based on the fact they can't get treatment.

[00:14:35] And the irony of all this is that what they've done is they've taken,

[00:14:38] they've looked at the failure of their own system

[00:14:41] which has been underfunded and been the victim of a lot of,

[00:14:46] you know, ideology.

[00:14:47] Let's be honest about this.

[00:14:48] And concluded that it doesn't work.

[00:14:50] And it's been supported by the odd person

[00:14:52] who has T-transition, does not being happy about it,

[00:14:55] who has a whistle blown and such like.

[00:14:57] And it takes a specific type of person to say,

[00:15:02] let's talk about doing research

[00:15:04] and then let's ignore all the stuff

[00:15:06] that doesn't support our view.

[00:15:08] And then whilst we're on,

[00:15:10] let's throw everybody that's autistic under the bus

[00:15:12] because there's a huge number of autistic people who want trans.

[00:15:16] I mean, you know, as we all know,

[00:15:18] the numbers of trans people are tiny

[00:15:20] but the fact is there are disproportionately large number

[00:15:23] of people with neurodivergence and none of them are trans.

[00:15:26] And I think this is the, you know,

[00:15:27] you can't have a false equivalence here.

[00:15:29] It's absolute madness.

[00:15:30] And this is the root of it for me.

[00:15:34] Subjective.

[00:15:35] I mean, as a, you know, I've got a doctorate, as you know,

[00:15:37] and this idea of actually just corrupting.

[00:15:40] I mean, it's like, I think it's like what they've done is

[00:15:42] they've done what the tobacco companies used to do

[00:15:44] and the tobacco companies

[00:15:46] effectively sponsored positive research

[00:15:50] about the effects of cancer and cigarettes and such like.

[00:15:53] And that's what's going on here.

[00:15:54] I think we've been absolutely

[00:15:57] and presented it in such a calm and rational way

[00:16:00] that has got all the politicians jumping on board with it

[00:16:04] because it seems to be.

[00:16:05] It's just seems to be very good.

[00:16:07] It plays into their agenda, you know,

[00:16:10] plays into the fact,

[00:16:11] because we've been under attack,

[00:16:13] particularly from the Conservative party,

[00:16:16] but the Labour party, they've been very poor.

[00:16:18] There's lots of supportive Labour MPs,

[00:16:19] but the lead has been put

[00:16:21] because they don't want to get involved in the debate

[00:16:23] or they want to come down on one side of it.

[00:16:25] So it's played into that, played into that.

[00:16:28] But you're absolutely right about ignoring all the evidence.

[00:16:30] And, you know, when you're talking about, you know,

[00:16:33] the levels of detransitioning are still tiny.

[00:16:38] And that's actually surprising considering the barriers

[00:16:41] that trans people we face, you know.

[00:16:44] And all the studies show that people who are able to transition

[00:16:50] live happy and productive lives.

[00:16:51] And this debate, we've had this debate in the NHS.

[00:16:55] So I remember when I transitioned,

[00:16:57] the NHS did not automatically fund gender identity services.

[00:17:02] The PCTs said it was on an exceptional,

[00:17:04] you know, case-by-case basis.

[00:17:06] They didn't value it as important.

[00:17:09] And they had that debate and they very clearly said,

[00:17:11] yes, it is, we need to fund this.

[00:17:13] Didn't resource it properly

[00:17:15] and didn't deliver it properly,

[00:17:16] but there was no doubt.

[00:17:18] And that was proper,

[00:17:20] that was based on research and findings in this country.

[00:17:23] And a number of studies from bodies in America

[00:17:28] similar to the clinical bodies in America

[00:17:31] and on this issue that it is the right thing to do.

[00:17:36] And that had never been questioned for adults, you know.

[00:17:42] But back then there wasn't the ability

[00:17:44] to go on to people to block us young people.

[00:17:46] And there has been some debate around that.

[00:17:48] And I guess I can see that there could be some discussions to have.

[00:17:53] I personally think it is still the right thing to do to offer that.

[00:17:58] But it was so few people were able to get that through the NHS anyway.

[00:18:01] So this report to come out now and say,

[00:18:07] well there's not enough evidence or use that language to imply

[00:18:10] that this is some sort of definitive study on the subject.

[00:18:13] And then find out, as you said,

[00:18:16] that some of the people they spoke to

[00:18:18] are coming from a position of an ideological opposition to trans.

[00:18:22] Well, ideological opposition to trans is not in any way

[00:18:26] a view that should be given any credence

[00:18:28] if you ideologically oppose to the idea

[00:18:31] that people can change their agenda,

[00:18:36] can live as how they wish.

[00:18:40] It's fascinating.

[00:18:41] That's not any of it, it's just a view.

[00:18:43] Just as a view that some people don't think.

[00:18:47] You know, some people think it's a sin to be gay.

[00:18:49] Well, that's no evidence of anything.

[00:18:50] That's just your prejudiced views, right?

[00:18:54] I do think what we're saying here is,

[00:18:57] and I think the point of all this is a complete erosion

[00:19:00] of personal freedoms and rights.

[00:19:04] And I mean there's a massive attack on the EHRC to do with Rwanda.

[00:19:07] There's a massive attack on the EHRC

[00:19:10] and the rights that we have

[00:19:11] because actually it's much easier for governments

[00:19:12] not to have to be bothered

[00:19:13] with all this human rights nonsense.

[00:19:16] There's a sort of a misplaced ignorance

[00:19:19] sort of view of EHRC

[00:19:20] as being some part of the European community, which isn't.

[00:19:24] But what's fascinating is also

[00:19:25] that you're going to talk to some trans organisations

[00:19:28] and they're trying to get the EHRC wiped out because of...

[00:19:30] Is that the Human Rights Commission in New York?

[00:19:34] Yeah, the Human Rights Commission.

[00:19:36] And I think the problem here is that we've got everybody

[00:19:40] both sides of the argument.

[00:19:41] I mean for me,

[00:19:43] I mean to lose our human rights,

[00:19:46] I mean that's a massive thing

[00:19:48] and that's what this is about, I'm sure of it.

[00:19:50] And it doesn't help that our own communities sometimes

[00:19:52] are lobbying to make changes in the EHRC

[00:19:54] and get rid of it in some places, which is madness.

[00:19:56] However...

[00:19:57] I'm not seeing that within our community

[00:19:59] and I must be pretty afraid

[00:20:01] that anybody wants to...

[00:20:02] I shall talk to her afterwards

[00:20:03] because I don't want to...

[00:20:04] I don't want to hear organisations.

[00:20:06] Yeah, I think they're unhappy with some of the comments

[00:20:08] that they've made.

[00:20:09] I am happy with some of the views

[00:20:10] they've taken, the stances they've taken.

[00:20:12] There's a lot of gender critical stuff.

[00:20:14] Yeah, yeah, I just don't think...

[00:20:15] I just think they're just

[00:20:19] punching down like everybody else at the moment

[00:20:21] it's an easy target.

[00:20:23] Absolutely, we're an easy target

[00:20:25] because the people in power

[00:20:27] have decided against us,

[00:20:29] people with...

[00:20:30] And by that I mean both politicians

[00:20:32] and the media, you know.

[00:20:35] And I think...

[00:20:36] That's extraordinary.

[00:20:37] And I think, you know,

[00:20:38] we often talk about this stuff

[00:20:39] and we say we're a small community

[00:20:41] and we can't do anything.

[00:20:42] But I tell you what,

[00:20:43] if we all just start writing letters to our MPs

[00:20:46] and making a fuss,

[00:20:47] that's the best way to get people

[00:20:48] to change their minds is actually...

[00:20:50] You know, what MPs are interested in

[00:20:52] is getting votes

[00:20:53] and being on the right side of

[00:20:57] looking good, let's be really honest about it.

[00:20:59] And if there's a storm of complaints

[00:21:01] going into MPs,

[00:21:03] it's the only way they make change

[00:21:05] because actually,

[00:21:06] because our numbers are low,

[00:21:07] with the more letter writing

[00:21:08] and more complaining we do, the better.

[00:21:10] Because using official channels

[00:21:12] is the only way you do this.

[00:21:13] What we're doing is we're up against

[00:21:16] a trans-critical approach.

[00:21:18] And actually, what we've talked about here,

[00:21:20] many times this,

[00:21:22] the more people push a really extreme anti-view,

[00:21:25] it actually brings out quite a lot of people

[00:21:27] who are pro us as well.

[00:21:29] And I've noticed a huge number of people

[00:21:32] coming in saying, this is all ridiculous.

[00:21:33] What's going on here?

[00:21:34] This is madness, you know?

[00:21:38] Yeah, I mean, I might be less optimistic

[00:21:40] on the thought that MPs...

[00:21:42] A number of MPs have taken positions on this

[00:21:44] because they think that's the popular thing.

[00:21:45] So trying to persuade them

[00:21:47] otherwise, through letter writing,

[00:21:49] it's difficult because they're getting

[00:21:50] plenty of people writing in

[00:21:52] from a gender critical point of view

[00:21:54] and protect women's rights

[00:21:55] and it all sounds very reasonable

[00:21:56] and all that sort of thing.

[00:21:58] So that's why so many who have not been involved

[00:22:02] in the bit are suddenly saying things

[00:22:03] that my MPs, it's pointless,

[00:22:04] writing to Jonathan Gouwis,

[00:22:07] if you're aware of him in the UK,

[00:22:09] I'm not sure that the notorious

[00:22:12] Batmanch MP who was there,

[00:22:14] a pretty abhorrent individual,

[00:22:18] that somehow me writing him as a trans person

[00:22:21] to say, you know, I have less faith in that.

[00:22:24] I think the positive is going to come

[00:22:27] from young people and generations

[00:22:30] and I think it will come from having allies

[00:22:34] and I think that's really interesting,

[00:22:36] but it's difficult because we will still exist.

[00:22:39] We will still transition.

[00:22:41] Whether the NHS helps us or not,

[00:22:43] we will still socially transition.

[00:22:45] Will I socially transition before I had any help from the NHS?

[00:22:49] And if I hadn't had any help from the NHS,

[00:22:51] I'd have still socially transition with my life.

[00:22:54] So we will still exist.

[00:22:56] They cannot do that unless they're just out of law or us.

[00:22:59] You know, we will exist

[00:23:01] and we will prevail in that respect.

[00:23:03] This whole thing is just about making our lives more difficult.

[00:23:06] That's all it seeks to do.

[00:23:07] It doesn't affect anybody else,

[00:23:09] but our community and making our lives more difficult

[00:23:12] on those and it will be some people.

[00:23:14] We will lose some people on the way in that.

[00:23:16] And, you know, we sort of push back for a second

[00:23:19] because because we have to create the sense

[00:23:22] that there is something we can do to control this.

[00:23:24] And if you don't want to write to John Fong Gullis,

[00:23:25] I mean, it's a bit like a complaint to the NHS.

[00:23:27] You have to log it.

[00:23:28] You have to mention it.

[00:23:29] You have to even if you just throw up the bin afterwards,

[00:23:31] you actually have to log these things.

[00:23:33] The second thing is you can do is you can start writing the Labour Party

[00:23:36] because actually there's a good chance

[00:23:38] that they may be in power

[00:23:39] and they're more influenceable at the moment

[00:23:41] because they can't afford to lose up to women's votes.

[00:23:44] But I do believe there are strong voices in that party.

[00:23:49] I absolutely agree with that.

[00:23:50] I've had some personal evidence.

[00:23:52] I remember, you know, when I had the thing with question time

[00:23:59] and Angela Reina was on the panel

[00:24:01] and I saw her in the House of the Parliament

[00:24:03] and she gave me some supportive words

[00:24:05] and there have been some supportive MPs in the party.

[00:24:12] And I think, yes, the party is in a better position.

[00:24:14] I just don't think it's...

[00:24:16] I don't think that the party is going to come up with hideous anti-trans laws

[00:24:20] that this government might.

[00:24:23] But they're not going to improve things,

[00:24:26] which is what they should be doing anyway.

[00:24:27] Well, we don't know that

[00:24:29] because the good thing about the Labour Party

[00:24:30] is no one knows anything about them

[00:24:31] because no one knows what they stand for.

[00:24:33] Well, under this current leader, I don't believe it.

[00:24:35] So I don't believe so.

[00:24:36] But it's interesting to say that

[00:24:37] because I was listening to Jess Phillips talking about this

[00:24:39] on one of the podcasts she's on.

[00:24:41] And actually, I was listening

[00:24:43] to quite a balanced conversation about the whole trans thing

[00:24:47] and gender in health

[00:24:49] and whether we're looking at sex or gender or whatever it is.

[00:24:52] And actually, the fact that you have properly funded services

[00:24:56] for trans people who have met some sort of...

[00:25:00] I mean, again, moving away from this idea of self-idea,

[00:25:03] and moving towards a proper system of care based on...

[00:25:06] For example, the fact that maybe people have jumped some sort of bar

[00:25:12] to be able to allow them to transition.

[00:25:14] For example, like being diagnosed by a GP

[00:25:19] or something along those lines.

[00:25:20] And I think that's what we need.

[00:25:23] We need a middle-ground.

[00:25:25] I think...

[00:25:28] Well, I was still transitioned if my GP hadn't said so,

[00:25:31] but I was still transitioned.

[00:25:32] No, I know that.

[00:25:33] There's nobody who can define my gender but me

[00:25:35] and there's nobody can explain it to me,

[00:25:39] but it is what it is.

[00:25:40] It's a self-evident truth for myself

[00:25:43] and for many trans people.

[00:25:44] I tell you a point on that.

[00:25:45] I'm not going to...

[00:25:46] I mean, Jess Phillips notoriously at one point would read...

[00:25:50] And I was a great interviewer.

[00:25:51] She'd read out the name of women

[00:25:53] a bit more murdered in violence from men

[00:25:57] but would admit any trans women from that.

[00:26:01] So I'm not seeing her as a...

[00:26:05] From my understanding, as a bastion

[00:26:06] that is going to protect our rights

[00:26:09] or there are much better voices.

[00:26:11] I take your point about the gender identity

[00:26:14] formal law process,

[00:26:15] but that's not what we're talking about here.

[00:26:17] We're talking about the NHS helping us

[00:26:21] with our healthcare to live our lives better.

[00:26:25] But the key now is to start influencing

[00:26:26] the next potential government.

[00:26:28] And the key is we know that the Tory...

[00:26:30] If you look at all the recent polls,

[00:26:32] the only reason that the Tories are getting traction

[00:26:35] and they're having their own sort of yet another psychodrama.

[00:26:38] They're having a psychodrama now against reform

[00:26:41] and what the reform party doing is going anti net zero,

[00:26:46] anti woke, anti immigration.

[00:26:49] And so the Tory party have to do

[00:26:51] is to be the same as them

[00:26:54] because of course no original thought was allowed in politics.

[00:26:56] So that's what this is part of.

[00:26:58] It's as simple as that.

[00:27:00] And that's why we have to jump on the Labour Party

[00:27:02] because they're the next ones in.

[00:27:04] And you know...

[00:27:05] And I think you will.

[00:27:06] And they're already saying in America for instance

[00:27:09] that the Republicans are finding actually

[00:27:12] their focus on anti-transference.

[00:27:15] It's all the end of part of anti woke

[00:27:18] is actually not paying them dividends in the polls.

[00:27:20] It's not doing anything.

[00:27:21] You know, and they're seeing that.

[00:27:23] And they'll see that in this country

[00:27:24] because it isn't the highest thing on most people's voting minds.

[00:27:28] And people who've met or know a trans person

[00:27:33] are genuinely much more positive.

[00:27:37] So those that are meters.

[00:27:38] So I think us being visible is one thing we can continue to be visible,

[00:27:43] continue to push back in that respect.

[00:27:45] I'll tell you a point about writing letters.

[00:27:47] I mean that's important.

[00:27:48] However difficult that feels at the moment to be visible.

[00:27:53] You know, we had Trans Day of Visibility the other day.

[00:27:56] I think us continuing to do that makes it much more difficult.

[00:27:59] You know, because they'll see that we're just people wanting to live a lie.

[00:28:04] So we just want a bit of help.

[00:28:06] Yeah.

[00:28:07] And that's the message. That's the narrative.

[00:28:09] That's just that sort of is.

[00:28:10] We just want the same rights as everybody else.

[00:28:12] You know, we don't want more rights than women.

[00:28:15] We've never said that.

[00:28:16] You know, no one's ever said that.

[00:28:17] And it still staggers me

[00:28:20] that this is not a bit...

[00:28:21] That no one mentions trans men.

[00:28:24] No one.

[00:28:25] Never mentioned.

[00:28:26] I agree that the focus on trans women is that sex-based rights thing.

[00:28:34] That they'll talk about sex matters and gender doesn't.

[00:28:37] If you look at the cast review,

[00:28:40] I think because of the figures there were more young trans boys

[00:28:45] that are being referred to men than there were women.

[00:28:48] So I think...

[00:28:49] And you do hear that as well.

[00:28:51] I just think in the debate around single sex spaces

[00:28:55] that becomes more of...

[00:28:56] Yes.

[00:28:57] And the ridiculous...

[00:29:00] The view sport as the second lever into that.

[00:29:03] I think it's really interesting.

[00:29:04] And that's often about trans women.

[00:29:09] So, but this affects trans men.

[00:29:13] I've spoken to non-binary colleagues about this as well

[00:29:17] just the last couple of days.

[00:29:18] You know, the whole community is because the underlying...

[00:29:22] The underlying narrative of his here is we're not valid.

[00:29:26] That we somehow can't produce the evidence that we are who we are.

[00:29:31] And then that lack of validity is feeding into that narrative

[00:29:36] and that's what hurts.

[00:29:38] You know...

[00:29:41] You know...

[00:29:43] And that's coupled with all these powerful people.

[00:29:46] I mean to see JK Rowling crowing in the media today

[00:29:50] is sometimes...

[00:29:52] And the damage that she's done

[00:29:54] because the voice she has, the platform she has

[00:29:58] and how she's perceived has been intolerable.

[00:30:00] You know, the damage she's done.

[00:30:02] And she's crowing in the media today saying

[00:30:04] that she's not going to accept an apology of Daniel Radcliffe

[00:30:08] and Emma Watson who've been critical of her anti-transfuse.

[00:30:11] I don't think there's any intention of apologising to her either.

[00:30:15] But you know...

[00:30:17] I mean again, it's a stress to listen to Stephen Fryl

[00:30:20] talking to her about it because he's actually, you know...

[00:30:23] Obliquely stating that what she's saying is rubbish.

[00:30:26] Because of course what she doesn't realise

[00:30:28] and I don't know if she doesn't realise or she's doing it on purpose

[00:30:30] that she is paving the way for anti-gay rhetoric

[00:30:33] because that's next.

[00:30:34] Simple as that.

[00:30:35] It's already there.

[00:30:37] It's already been part of the discourse and you've seen that.

[00:30:43] This is all part of conversion therapy.

[00:30:46] This is all part of the government is saying

[00:30:48] actually bingae will be a part of autism soon

[00:30:51] and then what we should need to do is convert people.

[00:30:53] And actually conversion therapy is still on statute books

[00:30:57] and it was promised to come off and it's not come off

[00:31:00] and it'll stay on and then, you know...

[00:31:03] If all the letters on sort of getting together

[00:31:05] and actually help standing behind us,

[00:31:07] it was us that started some of these big movements

[00:31:10] in the first place like Stonewall and such like.

[00:31:13] Absolutely.

[00:31:14] If we're not standing together, we will fall individually.

[00:31:17] We are standing together.

[00:31:19] I think the community and the vast majority of the LGBTQ plus community

[00:31:24] is on our side and they're a fringe and not.

[00:31:28] But the vast majority is because they see this battle

[00:31:32] as the battle that they fought previously

[00:31:34] and are still fighting for equality.

[00:31:36] I mean you mentioned conversion therapy.

[00:31:38] You said earlier this week that the UKCP,

[00:31:41] what's the body for...

[00:31:43] There is one of the bodies as withdrawn from a memo

[00:31:46] of understanding on conversion therapy.

[00:31:50] As withdrawn from...

[00:31:51] There's been like this memo of understanding

[00:31:54] against conversion therapy and they've withdrawn from it.

[00:31:56] I've left the UKCP.

[00:31:59] I've left that organisation.

[00:32:01] Yeah, and that's the kind of body of...

[00:32:03] So that's where this leads on the basis of somehow

[00:32:08] they want to be able to try and persuade trans clients

[00:32:13] that they're not trying to source something.

[00:32:15] I just don't get that.

[00:32:18] Well, they've previously given advice

[00:32:21] on gender critical therapists and things like that.

[00:32:24] A lot of the video is a trans person

[00:32:26] ended up with a gender critical therapist.

[00:32:28] I mean, that's why you need to seek out the decent charities

[00:32:32] that provide help in that respect

[00:32:33] like that beyond reflections

[00:32:36] who we're very proud to support, aren't we, Jill?

[00:32:40] Because we are groups out there.

[00:32:43] Yeah, and I think that's important,

[00:32:44] wherever you are that you actually think

[00:32:49] that there are things you can do for yourself.

[00:32:51] And sometimes it's hiding away

[00:32:52] and looking after your own mental health, which is good.

[00:32:54] Sometimes it's about making a stand.

[00:32:56] I noticed someone I have known fairly well

[00:33:00] who was on talking to Jacob Rees-Morgan,

[00:33:02] GB News, you know, that's brave.

[00:33:06] That is visible.

[00:33:08] There are people out there, myself included,

[00:33:10] who do not mind,

[00:33:12] I suppose because we're old enough

[00:33:13] and obvious enough to be visible

[00:33:18] and don't mind taking these people all in that.

[00:33:20] I can fancy, I can fancy

[00:33:22] I could intellectually spar with the lights

[00:33:24] of Jacob Rees-Morgan's ridiculous views.

[00:33:28] So I don't think he's...

[00:33:31] But you're right, I think that's...

[00:33:35] That's that part of, as I say, in some ways on trans rights.

[00:33:40] This part, many of us are relucted activists

[00:33:43] because actually we'd rather be getting on with our lives

[00:33:45] as men and women but...

[00:33:46] Exactly.

[00:33:47] I mean for many years I didn't during the fight

[00:33:50] maybe I should have sooner.

[00:33:56] Yeah, we do need to be visible more than ever.

[00:34:00] We do because we will exist

[00:34:04] but they'll push us back into the shadows

[00:34:06] and I don't think that can happen.

[00:34:12] And it won't happen, it really won't.

[00:34:14] They won't prevail on this.

[00:34:16] It just might take us a bit longer

[00:34:17] to get back to where we need it to be.

[00:34:21] I think we've both said this before

[00:34:24] and I think we're looking at limbs

[00:34:25] through really tricky times

[00:34:26] and I think there's going to be...

[00:34:27] There's a bigger game of thought

[00:34:29] and I think we've had this lovely long period,

[00:34:33] I think they call it the benefit of peace for a long, long time

[00:34:36] and I think what's going to happen over the years is this,

[00:34:40] like everything else,

[00:34:41] this issue will go away

[00:34:44] because there'll be bigger issues to be dealing with.

[00:34:47] And I think that's important to realise as a community.

[00:34:50] There really is...

[00:34:52] Every issue is bigger than bullying 1% of the population

[00:34:55] which is what's happening in the UK in a Barts America.

[00:34:58] We've been bullied by an establishment as a community

[00:35:02] and really...

[00:35:06] It's not what...

[00:35:08] I just don't really understand it.

[00:35:10] I mean, it will fade away

[00:35:13] but it'll be a different target.

[00:35:15] But also remember that for the people who are becoming more...

[00:35:21] What's the word?

[00:35:22] More triggered to be vile.

[00:35:25] It also triggers people to be accommodating

[00:35:27] and supportive as well.

[00:35:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:35:29] That's absolutely true.

[00:35:31] I mean, you know,

[00:35:33] there is far more to put out there when I transitioned.

[00:35:36] People didn't care as much.

[00:35:37] In some ways it was a simpler life

[00:35:39] when people didn't really care that much.

[00:35:41] But I've seen...

[00:35:45] Personally, I still get some really brilliant people

[00:35:50] who will see something in the news

[00:35:52] and just send me a message saying,

[00:35:53] you're right, I've read this.

[00:35:55] You know, those allies are actively allies

[00:35:57] and so, yeah.

[00:35:59] And as I said, I still think the hope is with me

[00:36:04] with younger generations who in the main

[00:36:07] just don't have any problem with any of this.

[00:36:10] They just don't.

[00:36:13] I think this is...

[00:36:15] Well, I was chatting to one of the other podcasts

[00:36:17] which you were not available for.

[00:36:19] So I was chatting to Katie Monday

[00:36:20] about who's an interesting trans activist

[00:36:24] but also very, very heavily involved in the...

[00:36:27] in the new diversity world

[00:36:29] and his personal disability as well.

[00:36:32] And one of the podcast episodes was really quite interesting

[00:36:35] because obviously much younger than both of us.

[00:36:37] And that sort of slightly perplexed view

[00:36:42] of why this is an issue for people

[00:36:45] because actually they've grown up in a world

[00:36:46] which is just gentler and kinder.

[00:36:51] And I think there's a general sort of, you know,

[00:36:54] attabation amongst younger people about actually

[00:36:56] what the hell is this all about?

[00:36:58] What's it for?

[00:37:00] What's this negativity for?

[00:37:02] And that's probably some very interesting

[00:37:05] think pieces on why it is

[00:37:07] because, yeah, why are people fearful of change?

[00:37:12] Why are people fear...

[00:37:13] It feeds into everything.

[00:37:14] Why are people fearful of the other?

[00:37:16] Because that's how they see us and see us as the other.

[00:37:19] You know, when there's clearly no threat to anybody,

[00:37:23] you know, not affecting anybody else's lives.

[00:37:25] You know, okay, maybe you could say our families

[00:37:28] are affected or whatever, but, you know,

[00:37:31] we're not affecting anybody else's lives.

[00:37:34] So why is this?

[00:37:35] But then again, you know, why do silenced seekers

[00:37:40] get treated in the way they do and get referred to

[00:37:44] and it's all of a piece of fearing outside

[00:37:49] and fear in the other.

[00:37:50] So I don't know because I think a generation

[00:37:54] that's never known anything but the internet

[00:37:57] and the internet and seen the world in the wider picture.

[00:38:00] I mean, we've had to fight against our upbringings

[00:38:02] where we were absolutely taught

[00:38:04] there were boys and girls and nothing else

[00:38:06] and absolutely at school nobody said it was okay to be gay.

[00:38:11] And it, you know,

[00:38:11] and you know, only a year or two before my I was born,

[00:38:15] it was illegal to be gay in this country.

[00:38:17] You know, and we counted people to their death

[00:38:21] like Alan Turing.

[00:38:22] So we, you know, our generation have got that.

[00:38:25] The 80s, you know, the newspaper headlines get this scum

[00:38:29] off our televisions when there was a gay kiss on his tenders.

[00:38:32] You know, there's a generation, you know, post post

[00:38:35] from the millennium generation that have not been exposed to that.

[00:38:38] So that's why they're going, let's say coming from.

[00:38:41] Why are you hating on people? Right?

[00:38:45] It's just I don't know.

[00:38:47] It'd be interesting to see.

[00:38:50] Be interesting to see.

[00:38:51] I don't want to jump forward to 15 years, 20 years,

[00:38:54] but it'd be interesting to see what the world's like then.

[00:38:56] I'm I'll be deed.

[00:38:59] You won't be.

[00:39:01] I'm going to be here to haunt you.

[00:39:04] You can haunt me.

[00:39:06] But it'd be interesting to see,

[00:39:08] but you'd really want to hope that we, you know,

[00:39:10] this is a moment in time

[00:39:13] and actually the progress will continue

[00:39:14] and it will just not be in.

[00:39:17] And all I can say is, you know,

[00:39:18] keep reaching out to each other,

[00:39:19] keep just saying, you know, it's a tough day today,

[00:39:23] but it's always always brightened up by talking to you, Joe.

[00:39:27] And you and you.

[00:39:28] And on that note, we're going to say goodbye next week

[00:39:31] and we've had a good rant and say we feel better about it already

[00:39:34] if nobody else does.

[00:39:36] But remember, the sources of support out there,

[00:39:38] charities like Beyond Reflections are there to help.

[00:39:41] There are lots of other charities as well

[00:39:42] who are more on the campaigning side

[00:39:45] if you want to make a difference,

[00:39:46] people like Transaction, which we talked to.

[00:39:48] Translucent, Gender Intelligence.

[00:39:52] There's loads of people.

[00:39:54] And of course, Pride season is coming up

[00:39:56] and this is going to be a fascinating Pride season

[00:39:59] because I think we're going to see more hostility,

[00:40:02] but we're also going to say I'll have a lot more.

[00:40:04] I think there'll be more positive than any negative around that.

[00:40:09] And yes, I think the lesson is a try and stay positive here.

[00:40:14] That's it.

[00:40:15] Don't let the bastards grind your down.

[00:40:18] We will prevail.

[00:40:19] Speak so. Take care.

[00:40:21] You take care, Jill. Take care everyone. Bye-bye.

[00:40:27] Thanks for listening to this episode of Transvox.

[00:40:30] It's been a joy to have you with us.

[00:40:33] If you want to make contact with us,

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[00:40:47] And all of our money goes to our nominated charity.

[00:40:50] And, Jen, you've chosen the charity for the next number of episodes.

[00:40:54] Which one have you chosen?

[00:40:55] Our charity is called Beyond Reflections,

[00:40:58] which is a charity that provides support and counselling

[00:41:01] to trans people, non-binary people and their friends

[00:41:04] and their families across the UK.

[00:41:06] An amazing charity doing some amazing work.

[00:41:08] Really important, so please if you can give.

[00:41:12] Great. And if you want to go and have a look at Beyond Reflections,

[00:41:14] it's beyond-reflections.org.uk.

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[00:41:36] Until the next time. Goodbye.

[00:41:38] Bye-bye.