Transvox - Questions and Answers

[00:00:07] Hey hey hey and welcome back to another episode of Transvox and in front of me resplendent in her NFL number 42 shirt and helmet my good friend Jen. How are you Jen? I'm very well thanks Jill. Did you know that 42 is my favourite number? Well it's the meaning of life, universe and everything isn't it? Exactly yes I knew you would go with it. And also the number of I think Jackie Robinson who was the first black player

[00:00:36] to break the colour bar in baseball so they have a day in I might have got this wrong but they have a day in baseball where all the teams wear the same number 42. It's a really powerful number 42 so but um but yeah of course it's life the universe and everything. I like me NFL but you can't recognise which team it is. So come on then yes you're right every year on the anniversary of Jackie Robinson's big league debut the baseball world pauses to remember his match contributions to the game.

[00:01:04] 1987 commissioner bud selig made sure Robinson's work with the underfoot all time by permanently retiring his number 42. There you are. Ah that's if you get nothing else you get trivia like that on this podcast. It is you know they're gonna come in handy on the um on that you have to come I hope you're coming to the quiz in December that way the whole thing online so uh oh I'm up for that I like a quiz. Yeah with um with um with trivia trivia knowledge knowledge like that you're going to be a demon.

[00:01:35] So which is your favourite which is your favourite NFL team? Um uh the Denver Broncos I don't know why I like John Elway who was a quarterback see I'm I'm so geeky talking about sports and I feel bad because in baseball my team is is the Boston Red Sox.

[00:01:52] And the reason is because I always think you should support support your local team right I'm in Stoke I support Stoke and um I worked out that Boston was the nearest um uh baseball team to Stoke so yeah. I see. Then my local team. What about hockey as well because you've got to you've got to do the ice hockey thing as well isn't it hockey or is that Canada I'm thinking of? That's kind of baseball baseball rugby football and what's the third American sport?

[00:02:19] Um and NBA basketball and basketball are the bigger yeah yeah. Look I'm sure that's your sporting knowledge. Oh I listen if somebody said paint drying was a sport and commentated on it I'd probably watch it I'm terrible I love sport. I'm uh can't play any of it. What was it you like about it? I don't know I like I like the geekiness of it I like that's understanding rules not really stats as such but like the rules structure.

[00:02:50] So um I spent a lot of the weekend watching uh the the world sport climbing bouldering and lead I love that. Love just learning about stuff I think it's it's that it's that geek part of the Venn diagram of trans I guess. There's something quite mesmerizing about certain sports as well isn't it? Like when I was a kid I remember at school you know between school holidays and things being allowed to watch the setting because that's when we could.

[00:03:16] And we I think I think we had two or three channels I know certainly I certainly remember the time when we only had one but anyway we used to watch the racing. Um because my my um my uncle used to like the racing but used to like the waterloo and I don't know if you've come along across the waterloo. That was crown green bowling.

[00:03:32] Well it was a particular sort of bowling so basically it's normal crown green is well normal crown green is a flat track a beautiful pitch and what and the waterloo was was just like a big field with holes in and and it wasn't it wasn't smoothed out that well.

[00:03:47] So basically everybody went round and round it like uh it was really interesting and so and you could absolutely judge people because of course we're playing competitive matches a bit like um like a dancing competition when they're all on the dance floor at the same time you know it's like uh I forget I forget I forget I forget the name of that um like a promenade type sort of idea. Oh right yeah. And I remember watching the waterloo for hours it's just so absorbing you know.

[00:04:11] Yes I think it's just something to take my mind away for the harsh realities of life but um uh yeah yeah no I do uh I do I do uh I do I can't play any of it. But you see what's interesting about this is that funnily enough I mean this is apropos absolutely nothing but it's there's something very good for your brain in doing that thing where you absorb yourself and what happens is your brain sort of switches

[00:04:36] down and reduces and relaxes and anxiety drops and your parasympathetic nervous system raises and you relax. So reading a good work of fiction is similar and you find that sort of the the stress hormone cortisol drops out of your system when you are absorbed and something. That's interesting. Yeah I never thought about it like that. The doctor recommends seeing things that absorb you and that's why whilst people talk about computer games as being um I mean computer planes are slightly different because

[00:05:06] they're sort of stimulating the dopamine systems but yeah if you are absorbed in something it's it's very good for your body because all your patterns of breathing change your limbic system cools it's it's so good it's actually really good for resilience bizarrely enough who knew. I didn't and um and now I can justify uh spending far too much time on computer games there you are. Yeah. Not that I need. I was thinking about what reading works of fiction.

[00:05:35] I don't know if you do much reading do you? I don't these days I used to be very voracious. Yeah. I don't think my um tension deficit adult brain copes with the concentrated too much audiobooks are all I couldn't listen to them. Yes and of course neurodiversity and um ADHD it's just like there's a big cross between that and our kinemis is there so should we talk ADHD today a little bit and talk about how that works for you?

[00:06:02] I can do I can do I mean I'm I'm yeah it's interesting I think yeah I definitely think I've read a study about um people with autism um as well as people who are trans there's been it's not causation but there's uh there's there is the correlation there um so yeah I've not had official when I say AD I've not had official diagnosis my brother has but I know I have some of those traits I think um but yeah I think it's an interesting subject because I think more and more

[00:06:32] you know even 10 years ago everybody we're talking about it now and and people of a generation like ours are having diagnoses my my you know my dinner my brother had a diagnosis in his in his 50s um and it's been brilliant for him but um so I think I think we're talking about more and more and certainly I'm at work as well as how do we make the world more accessible for everybody you know and uh I don't know it's so really important.

[00:06:58] So what are the sort of adjustments you need to think about when you're working or dealing with other people with neurodiversity what sort of accommodations do you make at work to create a that inclusive culture?

[00:07:11] Well I don't think we do enough at the moment but so if I for instance um think about how we recruit people and um you know particularly you know I work in the NHS as public sector and I can't speak for the private sector but in many ways NHS recruitment hasn't really changed that much over the years so basically sit in front of you know get through a shortage of sit in front of a panel of people and answer a bunch of questions right um which to me tests a certain brain type

[00:07:40] and not others and you know um so we started to talk about would it be better actually to share the questions beforehand you know for people who process information differently so they can actually maybe research some people mean better their brain time and better research in question would that be more useful and coming you know coming with an answer rather than expecting people to perform um or just again you know in meetings how how accessible we are to people who may need you know when people are talking over each other and things

[00:08:08] like that may be more difficult I'm no expert on this subject but I do know I don't I think we need to examine everything we do because because as a trade union representative I've so often over the years have represented people who we've discovered they've had um some neurodiversity when maybe they've been our cycle struggling with a job and then we found them tested particularly things like dyslexia and things and

[00:08:33] that people have learned to cope and mask yes you know just as we cope with mask ourselves pre-transition i guess but to a degree but I mean um yeah I've seen that over the years and I think the conversation's there now but whether we do enough whether we've moved enough um um to be accessible for for everybody and it and it just would be more in it was interesting it was very very topical so I don't know when the

[00:09:01] you know um this may may not go out just yet but I've just been following the um the covet inquiry online which is pretty horrific but one of the things was some of this was just pretty horrific but one of things was mentioned in there the lack of diversity within that uh within the the people who were leading the country at the time talking about diversity in in the traditional sense but a diversity of life experience and diversity of guests of brain and thought um and experience and

[00:09:28] it made me think about that you know we we you know there are so many people we're missing out in in great jobs because the way we set ourselves up isn't isn't it can be a barrier I think but as I say listen I'm no expert on the subject at all but at least we're having a conversation yeah I think I think what's fascinating about it is this idea that it suddenly appeared it's it's another one of these overnight sensations isn't it like the old left-handedness thing that suddenly yeah you know suddenly left-handed

[00:09:56] this is recognized and we had this massive uptick and how many people were left-handed and then it plateaued and it's and it's a bit like you know when I was younger I remember ADHD being what naughty children did because they used to run around they couldn't sit still had tons of energy had loads of ideas they couldn't concentrate they were extremely messy all that sort of stuff and there is a and whilst there is a rush to medicalize it has been very um comforting for some people to actually get that

[00:10:25] validation that that it's that that what they're experiencing is an actual thing rather than just being a set of curious things which don't make sense and therefore you know you're sort of struggling to adapt to them so now there are there are accommodations there are things of where ways of working and look with the world and whether it's OCD or autism or ADHD whatever it is that not spectrum I know we don't use the word spectrum anymore but those sort of conditions it's

[00:10:51] I I for some people it's very comforting to get that diagnosis isn't that absolutely and I certainly know in brother's case I think it was you know relief in a sense to that and not that I'm saying in a way being trans is a neurodiversity because it's not but the sense of feeling at odds with the world and masking you know and trying to cope and not being able to be who you are

[00:11:14] I think I think people with neurodiversity uh many would would recognize that that difficulty because that's certainly a life pre-transition in in certain ways it isn't a new diversity I'm not trying to compare it like that but the the feelings of of disassociation with the world you know feeling you know yeah that somehow you're not the same as though you're not coping the same and the shame

[00:11:39] that that internally brought to me yeah um pre-transition um I don't think it necessarily could be similar I guess to somebody who's you know you know trying to cope and finding ways to mask and cope with their new diversity with a world that on the face of it says you've got to behave like this yes you know socially you should be like this and so you know in actually that's the case but I don't think that's interesting yeah that's interesting it is also when you when you look at

[00:12:08] these whole areas it is fascinating I often wonder that when we talk to trans people whether who have neurodiverse to this conditions and and lots of people do I mean it's it's a disproportionately high percentage of people have neurodiversity as compared to the standard population who who are trans so it's been researched many times and found to be sort of this again there's no emphasis on causation

[00:12:34] but it's this fact that people are whatever the reason doesn't really matter um but and it is interesting when you're when you're dealing and working with trans people whether you need to figure out if you're dealing with and if you're dealing with a behavioral thing or you know you're trying to collaborate or work with them and it's not working well whether actually you have to deal with the the autism or the the neurodiverse condition rather than the transness because I think people

[00:13:01] get confused about the two things and I think sometimes people saying oh you're like that because you're trans rather than saying you're like that because you have a neurodiverse condition and the fact that you're trans is irrelevant it's it's it's especially for managers it's quite uh it's quite a wrinkle isn't it it's uh um it's a it's just an extension of the idea that you know you know the medical profession could put everything down to you being trans you know your mental health everything's doing is trans which is so slightly it's not you broke your leg well is

[00:13:30] that because you're trans you know it isn't obviously but you know and it's the same with the fact that you know there's still that perception and some sort quarters it's a in some way it's a mental illness and that's clearly not the case and I think that's I think that's the same yes there are you know maybe there are higher percentages but in some respects what does that matter yeah the point is that everybody's individual and um and you know true inclusion means it's taking a cat side uh every

[00:13:57] individual in that respect as I say yeah um I I think it's really interesting just outside the transition just within my work how that we're starting I think to start to understand that but um I don't know interesting it is interesting and what is also interesting this week there's a couple of questions that I've had sent in on the email wires uh via the podcast I thought we have tackled

[00:14:25] these because sometimes we find these questions quite interesting don't they sometimes they cover all the ground but um um you know that's that's quite interesting so we've had um we've had a question in from someone who's uh who says they're trans um fairly early stages and they're coping with actually how do you manage the dysphoria of going backwards and forwards between sort of the two conditions of sort of male and female they're having obviously they're having to live some aspect of

[00:14:53] life in the male form and some in the female form and um I just wondered if there's something we can give some advice on obviously without being referencing the person but it's a quite a good question isn't it I think a lot of people wrestle with this thing I think I think that's I mean yeah applies to both trans men and and trans women at that point I think it is a trans man actually yeah yeah I think it is interesting that yeah I mean I because because I mean when I've talked to

[00:15:22] people about it for I mean the there is those stages in that first stage where you start to step out into the world you know I've been you know my brain I've been a girl since the age of 10 but didn't start to step out into the world until my 30s right you know behind closed doors doesn't matter and there's the immediate you know in a sense part thrill part euphoria part terrified bit of that

[00:15:49] but that becomes to grow and grow and you do start to step out more and more gain more confidence and and and that in that respect you're you're living on the positiveness of doing something for the first time and actually being you know if you're being accepted I think the point comes to where you are that you are more settled with that and then you sort of tip over into having to uh to be who you're not um you know I think that that's where it's difficult I can the bit I can relate to is when you know

[00:16:20] because I knew I it was easier for me because I knew I was going to transition at some point but there was a period where I would I guess dress down when I went home to my parents so you know and they hadn't you know I hadn't so that's as close as I can get and I felt disappointed in myself for not being who I was in that period but I didn't suffer in a sense a great disorder it was once in once a week or once every couple of weeks but definitely I can see that you come to a

[00:16:48] point that you may not be able to live your life fully because it may be work or somewhere somewhere else it feels at the time impossible but not the right time to do that that you know you're you're almost reversing to going back pre-transition where you're living the lie the lie is you know you're living the lie and you're having to then pretend somebody you're not and I think that must be really difficult um I think the only the advice I would say is if you're if if you're on the path

[00:17:16] there is light at the end of the tunnel and that is it is a stepping stone but dysphoria is that it's too I always think dysphoria is too small a word because dysphoria I think just means unhappiness doesn't it but it when happiness doesn't really cover it I mean it is it can be a soul crushing unhappiness it can be you know it can really to your very being when you're um having to be inauthentic to yourself in that way yeah it's only unease or dissatisfaction but the thing is

[00:17:46] there's there's levels of actual dysphoria itself and then levels of being able to cope with it as well yeah so you can have a you can have huge dysphoria symptoms but you're actually able to cope with them and you can have quite low dysphoria symptoms but you're unable to cope with them and I think that's what people sometimes confuse here so sometimes and I think there's often a lot of judgment around this that somehow you should be doing it this way rather than saying actually

[00:18:13] in life you look at those two dimensions and you figure out which is right for you really isn't it it's easier for people to say oh just just go for you know we used to call it going full time yeah I don't know if these people still use that phrase but going full time used to be the point I've gone full time it's a weird phrase in a way but it says what it is and it says some way that you're failing in not being able to go full time but the realities and practicalities of life are

[00:18:40] different for everybody see you know it was not difficult for me in my job and everything else and the fact I was on I haven't got a family on my own that other than my parents but there was no real barrier to me once I'd taken that step that was it you know never again I did have to wear in any male clothing for instance um so it's easy that was easy for me but there's you can't judge anybody else

[00:19:09] if they are not able to do that because the pressures are there are so significant you know and and therefore the the anxiety or the the unhappiness dysphoria isn't any less because you've got no maybe you know just because that's going to be strong isn't it I mean you know uh imagine feeling frustrated you'd feel really frustrated in that situation yeah so Ali from Scotland

[00:19:38] says this interesting question is what's been the biggest benefit and the biggest downside of being trans trans actually living trans for you we're both going to answer this one so I think I the if I look back what's the biggest benefit is well um I've met some amazing people yeah I don't think I would have met

[00:20:02] and I've been able to do some I've had opportunities I guess that I would have never had you know speaking uh you know a bit of public speaking and things like that that I just wouldn't have um so um you know taking it I'm sort of taking aside all the stuff about I'm feeling happy with myself and in within myself and my bunny and everything else is is that the opportunities and people have met

[00:20:28] that have definitely been the the best part of it yeah um what was the second bit what was that the downside but that's that's I think the downside is the UK in 2023 you know the downside is is everything that's going on at the moment and then other than that I didn't see uh uh you know how you know how we cope with us god knows but um I think I think for me one of the biggest upsides has been this

[00:20:56] ability to see the world through two different lenses almost so so for me what was fascinating was when people talk about white male privilege and you don't really know what white male privilege is until you sort of lose it and actually going trans femme for me um I notice things which are really

[00:21:20] odd I mean you notice what was called the male gaze suddenly you know as a as a you know as an older white male at the time when I was you know I was walking down the street and never thought twice about it now you think twice about it and you and you do that thing where you notice people looking and you notice that you are looking and you notice um cis women looking and you and not necessarily

[00:21:47] because um they're looking at you it's because they look at everybody everybody looks at everybody else and it's the extent to which people suddenly stop and I notice the thing in work where people sort of talk over you now a little bit yeah and I have people explaining to me what things mean and I sort of sit and look at them and think I mean actually I was sitting in a meeting quite recently and someone said to me this is a counseling problem and I don't know if you know what a triad is

[00:22:17] but and they began to explain what a triad is and I'm thinking and it's like how how does how bizarre I mean do you really think that you know I'm somehow disadvantaged either because I'm trans femme or because I'm presenting as female or or this is how you deal with I didn't know whether to be flattered because the thought of me as female enough to talk

[00:22:44] down to me or you know what I mean it's absolutely fascinating this thing about you you notice that um cis women they take up less space you notice that they don't walk down the center of places they stay to one side they notice how they defer you notice how in meetings that a strong woman will be seen as shrill or a bitch yeah um whereas that's seen as being assertive or lead our leadership quality

[00:23:11] and a guy you'll you saw and I think it's quite fascinating it gives you quite a unique perspective on the world to look at this and it is it always makes me it always tickles me when when the people who are sort of uh maybe on the turf side of things look at look at us and say how terrible we are and I don't think we realize that actually where we're probably the people who are most aware of the the feminist issues the need for real feminism in the in the country because we can see we can actually

[00:23:40] see the difference in the way that everything is geared towards my white male privilege and the patriarchy I never thought I'd be ranting against the patriarchy 20 years ago I mean I always knew I was what I who I was but I never I never lived that I wasn't living that life at that time so for me it's been quite it's been quite fascinating sort of going right to the other side of it that isn't true that

[00:24:04] is interesting and we spoke before about that there is that it is in some ways fascinating to have lived life from both sides in terms of that patriarchy and um and yeah I mean as I say even in the I was I say there is still so there is still that misogyny day and had to listen to the covid uh inquiry again today where the subject of misogyny was caught way in terms of the working cultures

[00:24:30] you know that the the somebody was trying to defend they'd referred to a it was it was a dominant who's swearing referred to people in terrible language and he argued he referred to everybody the same men and women but the women he would reference stilettos who would reference and you can tell that's a bit there's always a bit you don't do that so she go out on her select as the and use the word there was a difference with how he referred to women right and it's in it and it's rooted

[00:25:00] in rooted in that misogyny but so I think I think that is a privilege of seeing that and I the bits I hate about myself sometimes is when I'm in those meetings and I worry I don't know if it's true or not I worry if some of my learned socialized behavior as a privileged white male right comes across because the because we're all socialized in certain respects and you know I don't when I'm arguing a point in a meeting

[00:25:29] and stuff do I still behave I hope I don't but there's part of my worries that I do because I spent 30 years of my life with that being reinforced as a way to behave in terms of how I argue points and meetings yeah and uh and I but you're absolutely right I have noticed as well that people don't less notice what I've got to say you know that um um you know I I feel that uh I I can feel

[00:25:55] that sort of exclusion on you know certain conversations you know yeah um but um so I think there's that that's an interesting aspect we have on the world I wish those who seem to be against us would actually engage with us because I think there is some sort of shared ground there I mean I can't relate to growing up as a cisgender woman I can't relate to that misogyny of the 70s and 80s I didn't suffer that and so there's no way to diminish that and I wouldn't put myself in that place but

[00:26:24] there are things about my experience I think they're interesting as well as and and but there's no engagement on that subject at the moment because everybody's sitting in bunkers throwing things at each other aren't they so well I had a fascinating conversation um last week because we didn't we had the lovely Joseph Harwood on last week dropping into our chat and I don't think you were here with us but I think I was talking to him about an experience I had about identity and this idea of identity and

[00:26:51] I've been talking to a quite a scary guy who didn't believe that trans people existed and didn't believe in the concept of identity and thought it was all a load of rubbish and such like it's quite a yeah quite an exciting conversation I say exciting as a euphemism for quite scary yeah but we got onto the subject of football and and his patriotism and he saw himself as a very very strong football supporter

[00:27:19] I won't say the football team because it doesn't really matter but he was such a strong supporter of this football team he couldn't identify couldn't envisage marrying someone or who supported the other side he couldn't he couldn't wear the colors of the derby rival in there in that city and I said well how what's that about he said this football team is part of my identity and I said yeah so you don't believe in transness which is much deeper but you do believe that you are that fan forever because

[00:27:47] you identify them and also he also had tattoos of the it's a George flag all over the place and I said you're strongly British aren't you he said yes yeah I'm British through and through I said you know that's identity don't you he said yeah I am a and I said you do realize these things are much more superficial so if you believe in that why can't you believe in transness and he actually stopped and thought about it and then said well I won't I don't need to trouble with what he said next but um but it is

[00:28:15] fascinating how people can hold these very strange ideas and it's that idea that men look at women in a very different ways to the way that women look at women and women look at men and it is fascinating it's fascinating to see it it's really fascinating so even that even items of male clothing have sorry female clothing have a visceral reaction on men they're sort of like run screaming from the building if you talk about certain certain things quite peculiar quite peculiar so that leads us on to

[00:28:45] my last question from the day and um you know I'm a strictly fan so luckily Jane from London I love the strictly is it Jane from London has said what do we think of the current situation with Leighton Williams and the fact that he wore a wig and a dress in this week's strictly come dancing so I don't know if you're an aficionado and I can now talk for six and a half hours about strictly come dancing so you can join in if you want but well I love you I was there from the very first series

[00:29:15] love strictly uh love strictly um um no I think it's been well two things I think the recent inclusion of same-sex couples has been amazing you know and it is really open and which you know uh you know of course there was some stuff in the um the bottom end of the internet on daily mail articles against it and all that sort of stuff but nobody's really having any problem with it now and I think it's absolutely

[00:29:41] brilliant um with the current couple with Leighton Williams and uh Nikita um uh the partner is they are swapping it up sometimes uh Leighton is wearing and it's a and almost in a sense if you look at strictly anyway they're wearing you know particularly on some of the theme that's all wearing fancy dress anyway so whatever whatever that is but um wearing their clothes are appropriate for the dance is what

[00:30:08] uh what is doing right so if it works better for that dance being a ballroom dance to have a big skirt and and something that's uh mucking a dress and so forth then that's what you go for and I think in all the dances it's been slightly different and I think um I haven't read that if there's been any fuss around it or not but I just think that's oh yes huge and I think it's the fact that I think it was the last one we had a wig on and was dancing in female shoes which she's done a couple of

[00:30:35] times and um and a full skirt and such like because he was acting a role I think I forget which it was yeah yeah uh yeah yeah yeah and of course but that suited the dance so yeah but and the fact that somebody was wearing a trouser suit exactly it's quite peculiar this and that's what I mean about there are certain items of clothing that viscerally affect people where you know it's really quite it's quite interesting and you look on the facebook groups and people are saying things like

[00:31:04] oh a brilliant dancer but I can't wait I can't see it why why is he dressed up as a woman you know why why why is that necessary you know why is that what and then you'll have people saying well if people can wear what they want oh no no that's no wearing a wig and what what's that what's that all about tights why are they wearing tights for god sake you don't why is any of it why is any of it none of it is it's all an artificial construct the whole thing is so why I think it's brilliant because I

[00:31:31] think this is a fourth series where they've had same-sex couples and um certainly the same-sex male couples have previously they've tended to wear you know the most androgynous or or matching outfits it's the first time somebody's taken that step to to actually um wear skirts and dresses and I think it works brilliantly and I think it will be a fuss for a week or two and then yeah it will be forgotten about because people forget Nicola Adams don't they and when Nicola Adams yeah Nicola Adams with a

[00:32:00] same-sex couple had to be female this time and um and of course Nicola Adams rocked up in and yeah dress suits and pants and male spats and everything and there was never this problem and and and really when people talk about the trans issue really people are talking about trans femme people because actually it's it's I don't know I'm not trans masks I don't know uh and I'm sure they have their own issues I don't understand them because I'm not I've not had that lived experience but

[00:32:31] there isn't the there isn't the vitriol is there there isn't a bit no no but that's that's but that's the problem in the UK just at the moment and where everybody's jumping on and um you know and you know I guess you could add some of it to the stuff around drag and anti-drag stuff that you see and all the nonsense around that maybe um I still think it's a minority I still think

[00:32:55] people will judge the dancers on the dances you know you you know he's a great dancer I mean it's more the force that he's had a you know a bit of a background in in uh but most of the actors and stuff have had some background in dance but he's not going to win I mean this is what people forget the fact the best dancer rarely wins strictly no that's right it's always the person on the journey isn't it to a degree you know um so you know yeah he probably won't win but it doesn't mean

[00:33:22] you know it's not valid because you know I can see why they need to make sure they've got some good dancers um amongst the cast but yeah I I hadn't so I I'm I'm probably not avoiding social media a bit at the moment so I hadn't noticed that there was that force I just thought it was brilliant because I just thought it looked fabulous and it suited the dance you know otherwise otherwise the way the dances you know the traditional ballroom dances they're a disadvantage in some respects if you know

[00:33:49] in the paso or or some of those dances he's not able to wear a skirt or a dress because that's part of that dance and part of the how it works in that respect you can do it as both is the same but you know why have that that restriction um and yeah it's a bit nonsense when it's a uh sometimes on a theme night when they're in ridiculous you know how dare they dress up as an animal I mean it's just ridiculous yes well it's like the big thing on the rings of power isn't it when people

[00:34:17] were complaining to Lenny Henry about hobbits being black and he's saying you listen to what you're saying that you're complaining hobbits were black this is a fantasy series and you're quibbling like the fact that hobbits hobbits you know they're not real no no but that's always the case you need yes the same with a female doctor you have no problem you know there can't be a female doctor the doctor's got two hearts I mean all of it's all of this nonsense but it's all it's all just um

[00:34:47] stupid background ground noise as far as I'm concerned I'm hoping it doesn't have it all comes back to the episode that we really must get on record which is actually we need to go back to star trek to get the oh god I think I think our audience I'm sure are clamoring for it yeah well you know we've got some questions about that you never know about the impact of star trek and transness that would get us that would get us going and then if anybody else wants to send in questions you can of course you

[00:35:16] can send them to me at transvox uh julian at transvox.co.uk more than welcome or um jennywrissell77 at you who.com feel free and um we'll collect some more maybe one episode we'll do all questions because we've got quite a few in this in a backlog now gent so we should do that it's nice that people could be bothered to send an email to actually respond to no it's really heartwarming yes yeah it is i'm talking about warm hearts i think it's time i headed off and uh me too

[00:35:47] great for next meeting calls so see you see you next week been great as always see everyone thanks bye thanks for listening to this episode of transvox it's been a joy to have you with us um if you want to um make contact with us you can contact us at jillian at transvox.co.uk

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