Transvox - Jospeh Harwood and Skincare Tips
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Transvox - Jospeh Harwood and Skincare Tips

This week Gillian meets with the talented Joseph Harwood who regularly drops by for a chat. https://www.josephharwood.com

Jospeh and Gillian start out in the first of an irregular series about make-up and this week is a deep dive into skin care regimes…some really interesting tips and strategies for trans+ people whatever their budget - as well as how to deal with common problems including acne and open pores.

As always, Jo is an amazing source of expertise as well as pure joy and this episode just flies past…!


If you want to see what makeup can achieve on a face, have a look at their website and be amazed..!


Hope you enjoy and find this useful.

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You can submit questions to gillianrussell77@yahoo.com

[00:00:00] Hey, here and welcome back to Transvox and look who's sitting in front of me. It's none other than Joseph Harwood. How are you, Jospeh? How are you? Well, hello, hello, I'm doing very well. Thank you.

[00:00:19] I'm so glad to be back. I know last time we spoke about doing a make-up, people cast the months maybe we can do that today into little fun stuff. Yeah, I'm doing okay. I gave you a little bit of a

[00:00:30] preview before we started, but I've been a devic nurse. I've been a Florence 19 out the minutes though my mum hadn't asked him if I'd be looking after her, but she's back normal nearly.

[00:00:39] Just have to get back to walking after broken effort. So yeah, I'm good. I mean, good for it today. We're in a way to go. Yeah, we were just sort of saying is that the world seems to look at the moment.

[00:00:50] I think we're recording this the day after the budget day and it's quite green and miserable outside and it's, to no everyone seems a bit gloomy, don't they? But we're not all we.

[00:01:02] No, we're in bright fin, it's actually been the nice and big, it's been like really strange, like freak hailed storms for like three minutes, then stopping and then it's been raining and stopping.

[00:01:14] You think it's going to be a nice turkey day and then it goes like terribly wrong. Today is actually not too great and nice to actually sit in my garden and just see if I want to call my laptop.

[00:01:23] So I've been doing it more than normal. Do you know what? I live near the downs and in bright and people think bright things like this 50-top, but that's not at all where I live. I live in a country

[00:01:31] side part. I just don't take advantage of going up the ground that's all. I really want to do more like just doing work remotely, but like can it make your place because I think like you just

[00:01:42] forget how like cool is and how ground did you feel and there's like birds around you and what mad stuff that today was the first day I could actually go outside and do things so I wasn't

[00:01:51] able to put my poor laptop or get ramed. Well I went out for a constitution, a little bit of a walk earlier because the thing is when you're working from home to there and you're working

[00:02:03] from home and it's yeah I have a standard of desk and you get quite tired just standing up so I went for a walk and there was a little snow so there you are so you can feel better about sitting

[00:02:13] outside in the garden with your laptop. Then no yeah oh my god you were saying what we go about and I know this is the joys of living in the northeast. Well anyway let's talk makeup because

[00:02:29] I think it's one of those things isn't it? There are some people who see makeup as a mask some people see makeup is a wave dealing with dysphoria some people see makeup as a a lifeline some people

[00:02:43] can't be fast. I mean she we should be talk about you know really why why make up something worth thinking about the stanza with? Yeah well definitely like all those statements can be true

[00:02:56] it can be a mask it can be a revela it's something that is there's a thing about making the people forget is that it is something that is temporary and it can create a very very life-altering

[00:03:11] facts on your existence and to give a bit of backstory if people have no idea about my work or anything we've got my couple of cars but I'll do a summary so I and I started to experiment with my

[00:03:25] visual not very young guy because I was experienced in genital dysphoria the kid I was mistaken as a girl since I was a very young child I went through a puberty where my I grew breast tissue

[00:03:37] and I was growing secondary sexual characteristics that were female but I was male when it was Joseph on my first certificate and I was always been told you're different but I also grew up in a

[00:03:49] very conservative environment, a grew up in a church environment so I wasn't really allowed to experiment but because I think when you're in a confined situation like that you'll fall to do it just

[00:03:59] explodes like an upstairs or the creative stuff you're not allowed to do kind of concentrate and become more potent and what your choices are and I just had to be made you couldn't describe it as going

[00:04:09] on with me because without makeup I looked so feminine but I started to love to draw and I thought because I was like I wasn't allowed to watch silly things like Billy Elliott when I was a child

[00:04:19] and it's just like ridiculous thing but that was very under-exposed to what we think about as pop culture so I made up my own pop culture I tried to draw things and sketch images and I tried to

[00:04:30] inspire to see books, great characters and they were all makeup there was always like a tribal face pain element to it and when I started to get into video games I remember when I first

[00:04:41] played the Sims and you could go into the Sims 2 and they had an extra program with it with the body shot which is where you could customize the skin's which is the 2D picture the wraps around

[00:04:54] the 3D model of the Sims and when I saw a face that was flattened down onto a 2D shape and I could see where they had contoured the face bones to make someone look 3D in a video game

[00:05:08] I thought my god this is giving me all the keys I need to understand how to do make it for me so when I was 13 days to go to the 7-inch and after samples of four different colors of

[00:05:18] foundation all the girls love me because I was just playing a little kid and I started to learn to paint on myself so I started to shape the way my face is based on the characters I looked at

[00:05:28] in the Sims and I decided to look at different characters that I draw and I decided to become like I do it's like a theme like there was like a concept in my head that I wanted to become for

[00:05:37] that season or whatever it was I don't know why it's how my brain works and I decided to play with very like very unfortunate looks but I wanted me to look very feminine that was always my goal

[00:05:47] and then when I was 15-16 I became a model and they cut my hair like they were bow which was the opposite of what I wanted I wanted to be long and people just kept saying to me my god you

[00:05:57] look so out striking and I painted myself white and because I was a model I worked like the world I learned how to do make up for makeup artists by painting the show with my own knowledge

[00:06:08] I put it on YouTube and I created a new of the commonplace makeup styles that you find on YouTube like the boy to go transformation which were originally a sensational thing could be used to

[00:06:20] watch them because they were like I don't know if it was a cross-strafting, fetish thing or I did a what the original concept it was but I would show my face I would paint on a fake beard when I was 16

[00:06:32] I would paint the fake beard off and then do my makeup as every day and I'm feminized my face with makeup and when I started to talk about the facial anatomy and how I could see the difference between

[00:06:43] the male face and the female faces on the sims and I could see that the gaps in between the features were different on men's faces and when you're short and everything became more

[00:06:53] feminine the thing and then I thought it's a lift like it and when people actually was wanted to be different me I was like my god this is just incredibly in life and in this is

[00:07:03] something that really liberates my ability because before I think people couldn't understand what was but when I thought it to choose who I was then people's reactions to me changed so from 14 to 24

[00:07:19] I lived every day in feminine guys but I did it in different planes so there's a mermaid because I got the brown eyes thing I did it with this particular but that's my story of makeup

[00:07:28] and now I've got a makeup line I want a huge competition with Simon Powell, he'll make up about that agenda thing and I've been consulted with all the major umbrellas about diversity and

[00:07:38] equation to try and be cool since so that's me as fun trust me yeah so you're understanding the face is quite interesting and so I haven't looked at all these different things

[00:07:51] I mean it sounds obvious but it really useful for you to sort of highlight the differences between the sort of male female face shapes just so we can start to understand how

[00:08:03] makeup can begin to help us if that makes sense yeah so I'll practice this before we go into that like when I grew up there was two other people that I grew up with that also shand and each of

[00:08:16] us with very different personalities my friends and extra who no longer is with us we were all into makeup but we were all from different points of view and she would always talk about all these

[00:08:27] like kinesy scales and all of these like their sort of their scientific analysis of gender in the face shapes because she was determined to get facial feminization so she would go at it with

[00:08:40] a very logical approach I was the opposite side of the coin I was looking at it as a holistic thing because I wasn't looking at it from because it was gender and identity is different depending

[00:08:52] well it's fitting on any person in the world everyone's got a different gender identity they're identified however they are but if you're in a tribe in Africa and the men compete with beauty that's a very different gender identity to someone that's indigenous Maori that's non-gendered

[00:09:10] or third gender that's very different to what we see in the West and when you look at people's faces not like a white face and some of them is called black features there's differences in the ethnic

[00:09:22] perceptions and it's so that that's why I was always interested because my family was a diverse one looking at it not from white persons perspective like my family was I was looking at all different things so when I fight the look at faces across the board whether you're

[00:09:36] any ethnicity the things that change are the gaps between the features now this isn't a general rule everyone is completely unique in their own face but when you see a boy become a man the gaps

[00:09:49] between the nose and the mouth long elongate the carcass in the face and expands the gaps between there's no facial that the facial paths which are fast and we have several which are all

[00:10:04] kind of like a mosaic under the skin throughout the cheek throughout the lower face all of those shifts and I'll reduce and also obviously testosterone seconds is getting and change the hair types

[00:10:17] obviously on the face from ballers to the beard and there's all these different things and especially when so that's kind of like my perspective of how people grow but then there is environmental factors

[00:10:30] which are completely what you choose to do to yourself so if you're not taught to wash your face something that's so forward to it because that's a lot of guys think you have to do you're not going to

[00:10:41] have the same skincare as someone that's been using Limez if they were 12 you it's just not going to be you're going to see effects or sun damage you're going to see effects of dehydration a lot of

[00:10:52] the male products actually consists of a lot of alcohol which is terrible for this game but they were used for many, many years and to advertise clones and to give a bit of backstory about men skincare

[00:11:06] and cronyk was the first men skincare to be released and they based their sort of format on the old school cold cream era of skincare so they would do the cleanse tone was to rise that

[00:11:19] and they package it and cronyk with a very successful few years. Nowadays we've got such a vast leap in technology going to come to skincare that we don't need to do things like

[00:11:30] cold and all the old toners used to be designed to take off cold creams which are very oily and greasy nowadays we don't need to have anything like that so even though there was like things like

[00:11:40] when cronyk bought those men skincare out and it changed the game they're still you can buy a gelap kit with one of those very like shaving cream it's basically concentrated soap without cold

[00:11:53] so it's not really that great for your skin but people still use it like even if you use a hair conditioner with silicone and you'll get a better shade and you've had a different skin

[00:12:02] than a shaving side so they're so much stuff about this that's like this coming from like because they build upon like one product sales really well but they're going to build it on

[00:12:13] their build up on it but they don't actually think about like what people want I mean like the best thing about like I've seen all these young boys and tiktoks that are straight, cisgender boys they're

[00:12:22] now wearing makeup up because they wear their tiktoks so they're taking the interest in skincare and these plans are now including in their female target products now men in their marketing something

[00:12:33] I can push in behind the scenes so yeah there's so much interest and it's like an environmental being there's a growth thing and then the makeup slider that is it's really makeup is like

[00:12:45] you're the way that you decide to create your plumage it can be whatever you want to be if you wear fifties very beautiful sheet eyeliner with a red lip or you want to look like in Kardashian

[00:13:01] like it could be whoever description whatever description of yourself you want to show for the world I think for me like now I'm older and like I used to be I used to be like determined to have

[00:13:15] like perfect in every day and like go out with like really heavy makeup and I wouldn't want anyone to see that I had facial hair and I'd be really paranoid if someone did and if the lighting

[00:13:25] wasn't perfect I'd freak out because obviously all of that is from the dysphoria stuff but it's just like nowadays I just think like makeup is just the polish that you put on that gives you

[00:13:35] a little bit of a smile when you're in environment where you want people to look at you and that's how I use it today sometimes if I'm in the middle of today I am actually going to have that

[00:13:45] light so I will be doing a very feminine plan a bit yeah that was very much info I just lost the way no that's good that makes lot of sense and so I think people forget this don't

[00:13:56] they talk about the makeup but forget the foundation which is actually the skin and and of course for some people they're blasting their skin with electrolysis or laser treatments and so you're already

[00:14:10] potentially especially the skins of it older as you say got skin damage and you see all that so you have to sort of work I'm guessing extra hard I come at this from yeah from being very naive

[00:14:22] and just sort of making making do and and one of those people that does have skin damage and such like so I've had also some issues with skin anyway across different bits of my body but

[00:14:33] so the skin regime is really important so any recommend the sort of just a normal skin regime before you start even thinking about make makeup just to sort of get the skin in a place where it's

[00:14:44] just generally healthier because that's got to help isn't it? Oh I think you have to do that is their whole point is get makeup today is coloured skincare because the technology so advanced like everything's supposed to be about protecting, preserving, nourishing because it's all good and

[00:14:58] it's something that is totally important and when I make products because that's what I've trained to do for many years I make vegan products that don't have nasty dinning and that's completely subjective whoever makes the product anyone can say a product is nasty if it's allergic

[00:15:14] if they're allergic to it so if that's just my perspective of what I do like when I use vegan stuff a lot of people do a different thing like there's a brand called Drunk Elephant that has listed six

[00:15:25] things that doesn't like but some of the things are like petroleum which is Vaseline basically or in that equal to five cream which can do a lot of good people with X-mas I don't consider it

[00:15:36] an nasty so all of these times people use a real marketing thing really but with electrolysis and with the way laser haramony works and people do still get IPL we know it's very effective

[00:15:50] compared to laser and the difference being that IPL is light and laser is a laser and the electrolysis which is the oldest but most fabulous and effective for grey hair, blonde hair

[00:16:02] and getting rid of those stubborn bits and that's when you shoot heat down an needle that's in the hair follicle and you manually remove it which is very effective but your hair grows in three

[00:16:13] cycles so you've got two dormant hairs in every hair you remove so once you go through one sequence you have to get it done another four months later in that hair is in a dormant cycle

[00:16:23] they never tell you this where it with the trans guidance that they give with the laser but because the hair is thicker you should be numbing the hair first with m-lap because it doesn't just

[00:16:36] stop the pain of the treatment but it also stops the skin from inflammation so it we and they never tell you this and it is so like terrible because my hair is like I've got a mixed hair which is so

[00:16:50] when they fight to treat my and chin area which I'm still dealing with but nine years after my first session and they burn my skin quite tremendously this was in the lockdown because they used

[00:17:03] a laser that was a suitable for crowdcaging hair on my face after I told them 50 times not too and I ended up with really, really bad birds in my face so you have to be really cautious about

[00:17:16] the technicians you go to if you have darker skin or olive skin please go to a practice where there are people of the same skin type and hair troubles you because they're going to know what to do

[00:17:26] if they deal with the same thing and don't go to the scenario chains that don't really know what to do and again if you have darker darker skin with electrolysis every time you put heat against the

[00:17:38] skin you're a risk of high-pricmentation which can have on the darker skin when it's burned so there are so many things that are not put into the guidance which I've been trying to fight for

[00:17:48] and with various brands that do offer laser, high street brands but it is a nightmare and the thing is like when you're not really told about skin carrying or growing up with the kind of knowledge

[00:18:02] that you get from using skin care like if your skin's too dry you can work out I could work out what's going on with someone skin if it's dry I could work out what's going on if someone's got

[00:18:12] skin because your skin often tells you the opposite of what it needs so when someone's got oily skin it's a little bit because they're seeing my dreaded and it's not because they're having

[00:18:22] too greasy food or any of the common myths people think about it is actually because the skin is trying to lubricate yourself and keep them wish to end so there's things that give it away

[00:18:31] and often when the times when people deal with X-MAR all they deal with information in the skin survive this and so on that is also to do with your body having an allergic response to something

[00:18:45] but it's not being identified so your skin is trying to speed up the way it sheds it's called death formation which is like when you do spell a fish and once that's feeded up because really

[00:18:57] when you look at the skin, the skin doubled the speed of growth so it becomes dry as it's trying to remove yourself but it gets almost stuck and you look abundant and again it's not really taught

[00:19:08] so the best thing I can do for people is firstly 100% is about drinking loads of loads of water which is a nice man I don't even like drinking water but after my master's drink eight

[00:19:19] glasses a day with a reminder so it's all about skin care and then it's you have to build like your personal care so like when I've got so much skin care it's ridiculous the next on the

[00:19:31] 12th I go to the CW Awards which is a big makeup demo in a huge haul and they give me a bad about 1000 for those particular so I can't wait to have even more but I built like this kit

[00:19:43] where I know what's going to happen so if I get a spot on my face around any of the hairs in my face I know that's because my hair's getting stuck under the skin when I shave so I have a solution

[00:19:56] for that and I have a medicate solution called epithelope and lots of times girls I can do that still want to shave while they're going to lay there has also dealt with this because

[00:20:07] they were a makeup to hide the fibroquette shadow but the makeup can sometimes it can mix with the hair full of cool and get a little bit in fact looking at me and it's more common with times people

[00:20:18] that are dealing with facial hair than not and there is a product you can get from a doctor which again it never recommended could ever do so it's about EPIDUO and it's a mixture of an

[00:20:29] a dappling which is a rest noise bitumen-adroverted that speeds up the way you're skin heels and a band of poroxide which killed bacteria so this thing has saved my life I used to deal with

[00:20:41] it when the beer came through about nine years now eight years ago now I did not know what to do because I was wearing like fabulous makeup I was over the top with my skincare but my hair was

[00:20:51] still getting cool on the surface of the skin and this thing is the number one saving grace for me it is amazing so that's my first one but if anyone deals with that problem if anyone deals with

[00:21:03] like I would say um oh just general kind of acne that's not related to hormones it's not relating to the hair it's normally to do with just remnants of the day so we're left on the skin and

[00:21:17] that's where cleansers come in and there are so many cleansers that are not that great for you everyone buys wipes makeup wipes which are so bad normally yeah they're so bad they are normally full of alcohol unless they're like a baby wipe

[00:21:32] even some of the baby wipes are and they don't buy a degree unless they're made of bamboo so they are one of the number one causes of blockages and sewage and things and absolutely horrible

[00:21:41] things and they don't really do anything they don't take off the makeup they move it from one place in the face to another so the way that people really need to cleanse is with a

[00:21:52] a balm or or something it's like a washing off cleanser and there's so many brands out there that I could recommend from the Inky List which is pretty cheap you can buy it in boots to

[00:22:04] more spa great brands like ExoOVians and they do one with a PHAM which is I'm going into all the details please tell me if I'm going too much but they it's like um it's got a poly hydroxy acid

[00:22:17] so a mix of salafilic acid which dissolves into the oil and a glycolic acid which dissolves into the water and the poly means both and it just removes everything on the skin that you

[00:22:28] would ever need to just put a tiny little pearl of it wash it with your face off with it and it's amazing then the other part is just keeping the water into your face so whatever moisturizer, toner,

[00:22:39] serum all of these things do they seal moisture into the skin they have a thing in order few mech, which pulls water either from the atmosphere or to from the skin it can do if

[00:22:52] it's not formulated completely and so moisturizers and there are so many brands as moisturizers that I could again recommend like and I go to pills I love their kills the clinic moisturizers

[00:23:03] are really good and they cost them I didn't use so there are so many moisturizers and then obviously the S-B-F is super important because it's all about protecting your skin from the environment

[00:23:13] like the sun and there are so many um I'm like what new to genus one is like so big and new to genus so affordable. It's been one of the best ones and new to genus that's actually not disformination

[00:23:26] in the UK because we've got really messed up ways of measuring S-B-F so when they give you the S-B-F they put the plus on the end it's because they don't rub the cream into the skin as you

[00:23:40] would use it they just apply it in a blob and say look it's reflective back this percentage there for weeks at 50 but because it's inaccurate they have to 50 plus so all of the products

[00:23:51] from Australia where they do have a grip on skin cancer and in issues related to the sun all of theirs are tested rigorously and the new to genus one from Australia are absolutely best so S-B-F

[00:24:05] then finally I guess when people are going to bed and one thing that I think everyone needs to get on too quite early and you can go to a doctor again to get these because they're UK's for

[00:24:16] out some stupid legislation about the percentages but retinols and retinols are again a bit of an A they are the only skincare product that's proven to reverse aging because vitamin A speeds up the rate that your skin turns over so that the desk or matron process so it

[00:24:35] removes fine lines it removes anything but it does make your skin sore for about a month so it's like you've got to take it like a medication in person one for medication settled it's perfect

[00:24:47] you see the most drastic skin differences but again you have to go to adults and then because they stop when you buy it across the counter with all the brands that's been doing it

[00:24:54] the year so so that would be so it doesn't go if anyone wants to go that roots with retinal so it's like a min brown that you could recommend that man there's a good night cream

[00:25:06] so the ordinary and do a over-the-counter retinal and the ordinary are very affordable and I actually just had dinner with one of the founders of a brand called Indeed and she worked with brands and who was the maker of the army and she financed the

[00:25:24] woodman when it started and originally and they made the ordinary kind of the part of the pen he was a bit of a man's scientist and he had a very tragic ending so I won't go into the story

[00:25:34] but they wanted to have this incredible brand that had all the effective properties of the skin care that's high end but to have it so affordable that anyone could access there so that ordinary

[00:25:45] do an oil that's like in a pipette bottle that's got the rational percentages in and you can get 1% still so that would be amazing and it's in some of the called squall eating which used to be an oil

[00:25:56] made from sharp but now they're making from olives there's no no sharp the arm didn't face that's it's so important to get onto that and to um I wish it like this is my theory

[00:26:09] drink away the water make sure you're going to super clean and not just plain to look at but clean as in you view some of this effective at cleaning like cleanser that wash his off then moisturize

[00:26:19] it so it doesn't feel dry and you can choose different kinds of moisturizers from jails to heavy moisturizers everyone skin takes and things differently see it's a trial and everything that you

[00:26:31] have to kind of work after yourself and then when you go to bed after you've put your SPS one obviously because you've gone out on the day and then at night time you have to have your um your retinal and

[00:26:42] and then wake and repeat so that's fascinating so that's correct I'll look at all this and um who knew that when we were going to start talking about makeup we actually have our first

[00:26:51] episode really just talking about the skin but it's still important now so two questions two final questions the first is how do you deal with blemishes of example I'm an older person so I've got

[00:27:02] a hose and you know I've got as opposed I used to have quite a little blackheads so what's that telling you about skin and how would one deal with those because there are many

[00:27:13] bumps and lugs on an older face you know you sort of skin growth and god knows what not just that me you see what I mean you get whiteheads and little white growth and such like I mean

[00:27:24] yeah I mean it's because obviously even as an older person you do want to you do want to engage in this but it's just there's more damage to start to contend with is that simple?

[00:27:35] it's so true and that basically you look at each problem as well it is so if you have any kind of open pause on your face that could be an inherited thing that could just be an inherited thing

[00:27:46] lots of people get open pause because basically the oils for skin they are trying to hydrate the skin so they overproduced then when the oils hit the surface of the skin oxygen hits them and that's

[00:28:00] what blackheads are it's basically a collection of sebaceous glands that have oxidized and turned black. If it's a whitehead it is a buildup of the white blood cells trying to fight some sort of bacteria infection so it we've got a built-in defense system within our skin although white

[00:28:18] blood cells run around and try and chase that area and try to eat them like that man and once it senses anything in the back of a hair follicle it just jumps at the opportunity to try and fill

[00:28:29] it up with these white blood cells and that's essentially what a sport is now absences are different there are buildups of skin it's the same as when your skin shedding and it's just

[00:28:39] falling off your skin but it can stuff under the surface of the skin you can have that from scars you can have it from all of the things it could be genetic things or it could be a symptom

[00:28:47] of other illnesses and you get absences but you can do so many different things now from asapales I mean chemical pills like glycolic pills and if you do like a series of four or six

[00:29:00] over the course of six weeks they can slowly be built up so you start off with a load of senderion they do sting and they're on your face for about six to 12 minutes but they do

[00:29:12] resurface skin because a glycolic acid is it dissolves in the water of the skin so it's concentrated into the top layers of the skin it flattens everything down it reduces everything

[00:29:23] so there are treatments you can get like that in sparse all over the show we can buy a home kit which is very accessible as long as you know what you're doing and retinal is again it fixes

[00:29:32] all those problems retinal is just a game changer it's such a it takes a while because you think you can do it some something wrong to your face when you start using retinal but I've been using

[00:29:43] retinal since I was in my late teens it's very naughty and all the skin care people should not do that but I do and yes to get it all of this is so important because when you're

[00:29:57] doing like so many times over the years I've done people in the trans community early on in their transition and when you are doing makeup on skin that's not used to make up it can make things

[00:30:08] more dysphoric for the person because instead of actually working with the skin the makeup can actually sit on top of the face and people just feel like they're in costume with a post to

[00:30:18] embracing who they are in a way that's celebrate what they are so you cannot you in my philosophy of doing makeup you cannot even go into it without doing this skincare you can't and

[00:30:30] it's just it would have made sense to do that because it's you don't wear makeup every day because say you've got to have some sort of like constability and the skin care really does give you that

[00:30:43] and it also is it's like a meditation and I don't get the same effects of it anymore because I do it so much for my job but sitting down and actually doing a self-care treatment like putting

[00:30:55] on a face mask like putting on something like a nice nightly routine it is like a breath after a day it's or a beginning or not to the front of the paper in jeans like mental because it

[00:31:09] if you're using them in the morning it kind of wakes you up it's like a refreshing thing so it is a sensory experience and it's I think that's decided a bit that people forget the

[00:31:19] glamour aside of it is back to this of course and we can go into and make up tips if you like and accept it I step aside next episode we do a makeup test look I look at you final question

[00:31:29] it's a bit of a weird question so forgive me if it's too weird but this is this I don't just think in because you've made the point really well about the skin being an organ and so

[00:31:39] and you've talked a lot about the face but I'm guessing it's the whole body because if you're if you're not treated it's I'm guessing that the skin across the whole of your body needs to be

[00:31:53] better looked after as well because if you got a one beautiful face but you never look after the rest of your body that's not gonna that's not gonna help an organ it's like how you know

[00:32:01] just treating a little bit of your liver isn't it you know so do you do you have a regime for the rest of the body do you take time you have self care for and strategies for the rest of the body

[00:32:13] you're doing what are you mostly constrict the face because it sort of takes the the the brunt of the day today well the skin on the face is affected by dehydration more than anything out from

[00:32:26] the body so when you're doing your drugs because your your body think okay we need to keep alarms working we need to keep the feet making us move the face is just the movement part

[00:32:37] that communicates well a people it's not that essential so let's tackle the water out of that bit first and then everything else that's the the body thinks is more essential it's gonna be more

[00:32:46] hydrated also the face is like it's like a very because it's a mobile thing everything maneuvers in a certain way the skin around the eyes is like a fist of the skin of the I guess neck and

[00:33:05] that well it's much more than that that was a terrible example but the the body skin is thicker by far I see the dermis and the epidermis and then the substituting is back on the face

[00:33:16] is designed to work around your face moving whereas on your arm you've got a fat had going across the whole thing you've got a fat had going across your whole torso you don't have the fat

[00:33:26] had going across your whole face but on your forehead you don't have a fat had so the skin is a different kind of that it's different it's just the functions of it is different the things that

[00:33:38] different and fat is so amazing for different things because all of our vitamins obviously goes with the blood but it can't use us through the fat the body so if you don't have fat in your

[00:33:49] face which it does decrease and also the skull decreases in size as we get older which is another thing that is bizarre but it's true and so the body I'm so excited for this thing how I

[00:34:02] mix oils like one stop I've got lich I'm literally looking at my collection of potions in front of me the amount of ventricot juice after that I mix sensory oils so I would say that

[00:34:14] my favorite product which is like a cheaply cheap one is co-pobasa pomephropobasa I always use that one and because it is just so hydrating it's just so accessible you find it everywhere but if you do

[00:34:28] have particularly dry skin or you have acne on the body they've got one by parmones that's called smoothing it's the smoothing pomegranate it's got a mixture of acid in it and you can only

[00:34:40] get it in my Afro Beauty stores you can't really get it into the high street stores which is bizarre because it's such an amazing body cream you don't use it like everyday but you can use it

[00:34:48] like once a week but it's almost like a chemical pill mixed with the parmones moisturiser and it's so amazing like if everyone I recommend to get it I like almost all we've never even heard

[00:34:58] of this one we've just in the parmones and the like test goes or whatever and it's so routine one but it's like if you want to treat the whole skin and one go and blast everything smooth

[00:35:07] it's amazing and the old secret in the book which always is like a shop people who don't know about like home memory this but is amazing if you put oats in a sock and you leave it in the bath

[00:35:20] and the bath turns the milk and you will go into the bath and leave like clear capture it is insane yeah it is so insane so there's so many things like that I always recommend people try

[00:35:33] abs and salts because it's magnesium essentially everyone in the UK is the patient of magnesium in some kind of way which I guess I don't know if there is links to magnesium to deficiency and depression and mood and things which is another sproving to go about that

[00:35:48] and abs and salts even though you're not getting a huge dose of it it does get through to the skin whilst you're soaking in the bath it's very relaxing and then I always mix up some oils so

[00:36:01] I'm a very good at the oils that have got different things but you're laying a lanyan or they've got some oils you can get that heat up on contact so they use them in massage a lot when you go

[00:36:12] to high amount of massage and I just think if you find some of it really brings you to yourself it really ground you that's really peaceful like there's so many oil brands that I could

[00:36:23] go with but if you want to mix your own you just have to buy a carrier oil and you put a little drop of your favorite oils in with it and then you use it as like a sort of top up after you've

[00:36:32] moisturized after you've done your cleansing I mean I think a lot of people like these like silly sugar scrups that really don't do that much because they're this kind of the body needs

[00:36:41] a bit more like the chemical stuff I recommend to give you farmers but I guess when it comes to trans specific way and I guess you have to be a bit cautious obviously again if you're doing anything

[00:36:55] to do with bottom surgery and you're dealing with that side of things so you use anything just letting me see yeah I think it's be and again the rest of this again I think you'll find

[00:37:08] and yeah that's a specific I can think of anything else I could recommend this of them that I particularly use I mean like my feet otherwise horrible things in the world I feel like a hobby that like

[00:37:18] a giant version of the hobby and I have to get like my feet completely blasted every single week otherwise I feel like I'm some sort of missing links so my feet can carry like that

[00:37:29] time to tend there you go everyone has there everyone I was gonna say they're a killer you see that's a bit closer to their feet yeah that's that's been absolutely brilliant today so we said

[00:37:39] we do a little series on makeup so we've started episode one almost so thank you so much Jo for spending time with us today that's been absolutely fantastic and maybe the next time

[00:37:51] I don't know maybe we'll tackle foundation who knows let's see where it goes but in tender yeah that's brilliant if anyone wants to reach out to me and ask me questions I'm happy to

[00:38:01] answer them I'm at jodithardwood.com and I'm at jodithardin on my socials so if you've got any questions might be helpful but again my go to my go if you want to record everyone is if you're

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