Transvox Podcast - In the News - Boxing, Prides, Cass Report, US Politics and Strictly

[00:00:00] Hello everybody and welcome back to Transvox and what a week it's been and in setting resplendent in her Olympic rhythmic gymnastics kit is my colleague Jenny, how are you doing Jenny?

[00:00:23] Yeah it's a bit tight and it rides up but it will do for the podcast and yes, less rhythmic not very gymnastic but good ones to sit down. Well it's been a week of weeks this week and so this week we've got a few things to discuss.

[00:00:43] The first thing we're going to chat about is some of the why it's which are going on obviously, whilst there's not necessarily no space we just need to make sure that we're talking about this because it's just having patches on the health and safety of our community.

[00:00:55] We're going to talk a little bit about the Olympics and the big round that's being going on of course around some of the competitors. But on Strictly maybe it wouldn't be right if we don't have a bit of sparkle in our lives

[00:01:08] so the sparkle is a little bit darnished by the sun, but Tim Walls I know you want to talk a bit about American politics I was always like to and we want to finish off as something

[00:01:16] positive because there's been some really good prides around the country so let's come to come to that. So how does that sound as an agenda for this week? It sounds absolutely brilliant Jill as long as you remember first of all that so don't if we forget

[00:01:30] why didn't we go on too long? I've written it down and there's no. You've written it down. Gosh, we're not so smart. We're planning this and there's no mention of Star Trek. So we should be so redefined. It would engage in the worst.

[00:01:46] Make it so hard as they say on the make it so. That's it. Make it so. But all the dress makers right off here then. So look, these riots I mean they're ever so close to me because the and this old

[00:02:00] starts with the terrible events and southport is not when then and then what we hear in the right wing media is there's been a lot of stabbing and it's been carried out by supposedly by a an asylum seeker Muslim who's in who's being just stabbing people left

[00:02:18] right in center and of course we discover within seconds that's just not true but the gap left by the police is created this enormous opportunity for the right wing to slash and replace.

[00:02:28] And then the sense that we use our community as a beating stake I mean anything to do with immigration has been appalling and of course what we see in these really terrible riots and

[00:02:39] I always then you cast law earlier today at the Metro Center on Massive Shopping Center and it's deserted and asking why they said they may be trouble there are people come out

[00:02:50] from Newcastle in Sondland for riots coming up for the riots for a good fight and you know it's we're going to see the effects on this not just on personal safety and health but on

[00:02:59] commerce and such like so and I know you've been experiencing down where you are as well as that right we definitely have some racist riots which is what I'll call them in Stoke in Stoke on Trent

[00:03:13] and actually in Tam with it's also in Staffordshire where they attack a hotel. The first thing to say you're absolutely right this is nothing to do even if that was ever

[00:03:23] in its goose which it clearly isn't never a reason for this but the the the the person's death wasn't a Samusy girl or or or or or anything such even if that was relevant but

[00:03:36] I don't know there's police in the living gap they're just the person was 17 so they're not allowed to disclose the name but didn't stop people out now to flourish and tell me Robbins from speculating

[00:03:47] and suppose you'll ask a question is it's Stoke up this and they have to take these people have to take some responsibility but it has been awful it has been you know I've never known

[00:03:58] when it's quite like it because they've been spreading around the country and even today there is apparently some plund things happening around the country and is a scarcity of tonnes. What actually happens I don't know how many of them will actually come through but it's

[00:04:14] just a very tough right in time I've been speaking to stuff I work with and you know that they are saying right now in the city of the very is the telling the family not to go on to tell on on the

[00:04:26] even though the rights are not happening today the people that are involved in that are still part of our community and I think it's a first thing it was just struck me when the terrible event

[00:04:41] happened in Southport that the murder of the three young girls and I don't know if I should be ashamed to think about that was the same when a assassination attempt on Trump part of years

[00:04:52] I do hope the person isn't from this community of that community because they're going to get blamed you know when there's a shooting in America think well hope it doesn't are trans person because they're just going to jump on us and I think that's what happens

[00:05:02] now with these events because you know it's going to be whipped up and used as an excuse I just didn't excuse for people too you know violently express their racism that's all they're doing

[00:05:12] it's nothing to do with the issue absolutely nothing to this you just they're they're the springboard for that but it is been I think it's terrifying and not wanted to claim in a sense

[00:05:24] it's an issue directly for our community but you're done well know there's no rainbow flags or representatives in those when those rioters those those people who are I would guarantee there

[00:05:35] were no trans allies in those rioters if you found one I'd be staggered that's you know so those are the same people that I don't know about you Jill I would be terrified to go to just be

[00:05:48] even in that space even though I have never suffered racism because I have privilege of being brought up in a class of why you know I've never sort of just had racism but I would be terrible to be

[00:06:00] terrified to be in that space because you know what they would also those people feel and it is a scary time in the UK right now this I think will hopefully these riots there's racist riots

[00:06:15] elsewhere been described as a pogrom you know using violence to how and how to community I mean it was happened to the Jewish community back in the and that's where it came from but it applies to anything

[00:06:28] way you're using violence on the streets and we should call it what it is and people have going to say responsibility and MPs have got to tell responsibility the labor and peer time with only this last week for this happened and we could go in Parliament talked about

[00:06:44] the time with people want their hotel back just makes no sense because the people in town would don't go to the holiday in in town with do that's their town that she said that and

[00:06:54] then the that hotel was attacked that hotel the shelter in some asylum seekers because they need a roof over their head they're not really forced on luxury so these people have got to take

[00:07:04] responsibility to them and comments as well as well hopefully those people taking part are going to be locked up but it's a scary time and you know I think it's a scary time in the UK at the moment

[00:07:16] it's it's quite peculiar where so I was just a couple of things strong struck me as you're talking about the hotel and town with the asylum seekers some of the asylum seekers of Filipino and

[00:07:27] Earth nurses who come to the country they've been attracted into the country because we need them in the national health service and and it and apparently one of their tells have salancitas but

[00:07:36] these Filipino nurses who were scared out the weights and having to go to hospital in the same day possibly to care for those people who were getting attacked and mugs be by those by those people

[00:07:46] who'd been attacking them and it just and what I don't understand is why is the express advertising 30 it times which are going to have riots today. What's going on here? I mean I was looking at

[00:07:58] out northeast because I think the tenth of August it was the gate said for one of the first prides and gates said which is the town just said in your castle. They've had to cancel that you know

[00:08:09] it's almost like we're planning the riots this is and this is unusual it's like because normally they used to be called marches but we're going to have a march or a demonstration. We're not now

[00:08:19] planning a riot. It's a very interesting so I was speaking to somebody yesterday who some of our services provide support for some of the hotels where salancitas are given shelter I think the nurses are also being used but they're not salancitas because what you're absolutely right

[00:08:38] people have just jumped on that as well it's been very frightening and so they've said this isn't a surprise that we've seen protests we've seen so-called protests and seen events around hotels

[00:08:50] which are just ways of supporting till the processes are claimed. Now I want the big lies that the say is these are illegal immigrants then there are salancitas and my understanding is 70 to 80

[00:09:01] percent of them are granted asylum. There's no way they are illegal they are required to asylum and those are not as easily the country they're removing the country but 70 to 80 people of those asylum

[00:09:13] seekers are given asylum so there's no way they're illegal it's what the national law says we have to do and what we should do it's rather good. But it's not a whip top you wouldn't believe that

[00:09:23] if you read any of the press. No and the thing is what we know about the vast majority of the asylum seekers is and I was listening to someone talking in Scotland about this this morning

[00:09:32] what we know is that the vast majority coming to the country is the settle the the work the pay tax the work damned hard and some of those second generation refuge asylum seekers

[00:09:45] are running a country for goodness sake because you know that's what's going on at the moment and this is myth that asylum seekers are coming into the country and taking our jobs which is

[00:09:57] the big American thing as well. And it's interesting when you look at the people who are doing the fighting and there are people who are there who are whipped up by the right wing and there's

[00:10:08] no doubt about that they've gone they don't like asylum seekers there being they've been educated to believe that asylum seekers are the problem therefore we need to go into attack them and it

[00:10:19] gives them a cause some of the joining where some of you going to and the same people are probably used to do the same in a community who's going to the football who look who look

[00:10:27] in his own and they're going there and they are turning on asylum seekers because they led they've been misinformed they've been indoctrinated I think that asylum seekers are the issue you got people who are you know who are genuine poverty and and we don't have services

[00:10:43] it's not the asylum seekers fault that you know services have been hollowed up the last 10 years and there is genuine deprivation there's been no weird inflation people are much much poorer than they've ever been so if you're frightened then you're desperate for yourself you know

[00:10:57] turning to an outside source you know I understand that one to a certain sort of way and then you've got a bunch of people are just like a down good fight and they're pitching up as well

[00:11:06] and I'm going to keep you know and that's happening you see and you see the way the police are handling things now and it's a very different strategy from the past and I was minded very much

[00:11:14] of the old Skalge because you know we used to have the pit riots up here and I remember how the police used to treat rioters and I mean my god I've ever seen such polite police so we're gently tapping

[00:11:25] people who are kicking them nine bells and what's it out of them we're gently tapping them with the shields I like you say please don't kick the art kick my backside and I'm very rarely

[00:11:35] feel sorry for the police but my god they look no very very um I think I think the very drill now and knowing up you know I think I'm quite impressed with how they handle these things to the

[00:11:48] I mean I think the issue is then they'd be able to arrest people afterwards yes just what's happening and I'm using that I mean yes all grieve which is what you're referring to for instance when the police bad charged will politically driven to attack is a very different

[00:12:04] a very different world but um then what we see now but you're absolutely right so yes there is there's definitely you can see some of the links to some of the football who we're going to listen

[00:12:15] but that that that thing you said is absolutely right about when there's well-finished quality like there isn't a UK seat in America or what massive wealth inequality what the powerful part of capitalism is don't blame us don't blame us for your inequality blame these brown people

[00:12:34] blame these other people and blame other people that's what they do so you know that this you know poverty and deprivation feeds into this but it's fed in by you know Elon Musk is waiting

[00:12:45] into this debate yes how is he doing what this hell is he you know and he's waiting to it's bait by tweeting at the civil war he's stoichi that up course he is but he's

[00:12:56] he you know he's the richest potentially richest person in the world and he's telling you know he's telling you know and he's stoichi this up I mean you know aunties you know joined an army

[00:13:07] and completely trash on the reputation of his daughter who's trans I mean goodness well this is he's threatened to move his head caught as away from California but some industries I'll law a lawyer saying that if a people comes out that they don't

[00:13:22] immediately tell the parents if the people's frightened of the parents knowing that the trans that's all the law is and that's pathetic pathetic man has because he's upset because his daughter's seen in for what for what he is and he's just an age gone

[00:13:39] whatever happened to that man who only knows but I mean he's he's just a little further crazily right wing by the day and what has got too much power these so I erphi should have any power over the influence over people when they're society got it's been

[00:13:58] really it's been really clear about something let me just read you a fact well California has an income tax that reaches up to 13.3% whereas Texas has no income tax yeah and that's what is

[00:14:12] all about most of us could look my hate him is about one thing about himself and about money and you know the rich decision to move from one part of the world country to a member part of

[00:14:24] the country is purely about money it's not about causes but of course you can dress it up as causes because any can hide behind it so it does damage it it's I know coincidence these

[00:14:34] tech bros are so start to support Donald Trump and those in that part it's so Donald Trump's running mate is supported by a country's name now very very beautiful Peter Daywap, Peter Teele

[00:14:47] amazingly wealthy again not um uh to grow and of course it's because they want the people in power that are good to give them more money because they have a lot of money not just that it's

[00:14:59] it's the thing that they want to dismantle they they want to dismantle uh national services like the fair because they're going to privatize them it's not because of any sort of sense of patriotism

[00:15:09] a duty it's pure greed and I mean I really about the American thing is that this it's it's that American green is built on capitalist agreed um you know I always think anyway so we're getting

[00:15:24] nothing subjects no it's true it is it's a subject you're right it is but we need to show solidarity with each other you know they come for they came for them and then they came for us you know they

[00:15:34] they come for us as a community they come for our you know a cousins that of different race our asylum seekers immigrants are just looking at to have a reasonable life and they come for them

[00:15:47] they come for anybody of difference and we all should be frightened but we all should join together in solidarity I don't know what the answer is but something's got to change I thought it

[00:15:57] was going to change after George Floyd did for a bit but it feels like it did for a felt like a bit in the UK we were moving the right direction and then we've come back to this and I have

[00:16:08] never known anything quite like this chill well are you remember it when I was a student because I remember the the bricks and rides because I lived in London I would like to okay and I we were there

[00:16:19] and I remember the at the same time we had all the rides and brick bristel and all's grow and there would riots where everywhere but I mean there were much bigger riots but much

[00:16:28] in much more continuous. But they weren't just yeah and we had them in 2011 but that wasn't about academic race this wasn't about which is what this is it's about targeting basically it's

[00:16:40] targeting of a community to get them out I'm not saying any riot I thought you were going to say you remember the Battle for Cable Street in London but that was going back at you for a

[00:16:51] July of course I'm not on the 40. No but that was that was as close as you get now the the brown shirts attacking the community and the community fired it back that was racist but this

[00:17:01] is racism this is what it is but yeah yeah scary times scary times I mean basically the the rickson riot was all about racism because but it was it was actually racism from the police

[00:17:13] yes it wasn't attacking her it was people that you know I was aware of the same in toxic things like that it was a community that felt so different dynamic this is something different this is about people who's attacked and human beings do you like to get together

[00:17:29] and whether the cause is for good or for bad just matter we like to get together what the good thing is that in every single town and of course this isn't reported after an immediate media and

[00:17:41] every single town the following day loads of people are out cleaning up clearing out giving support giving a helping hand there was a vigil in southport which is actually about the kids and it

[00:17:51] was actually a beautiful and it was it was peaceful and one of the papers actually managed to put a picture of you know the the peace in south south port after the violence of the

[00:18:03] people have been a bit of a fight and and it just tickle me a little bit and I'm sorry to be I don't mean to be quite so flippant about it but what we need now is a proper British

[00:18:14] someone now because we've had all this beloved rain for all this time and that's what we need now because actually it is quite a well known thing is that he seems to get people rows

[00:18:22] up in a lot of the riots that we have are often in hot weather so now I think a lot of police forces are a rain for wet rain at the moment and some colder weather and of course up here

[00:18:34] we've got it already so that's good yeah that's I guess something we could there we could look for to but yes okay it's it's grim as an egg but yeah yeah but you know we can always be positive

[00:18:46] and I think the five years of this they're you know we we will get through this and you know it we have to I mean I was interesting I was reading something about the great replacement

[00:18:56] theory which is you know which is very prevalent in America and this idea that now that rich powerful white blocs are being replaced by women people of color women and people of color

[00:19:05] women and people of color women who have and people of color who've come in from them you know a different place and are taking our jobs and our threatening our families and our breeding very fast

[00:19:14] and this this great replacement theory in America is really challenging because look what's happening with their potential presidents look what's happening with Bruthorates and I think you know while starting our non-white populations and the UK are about 15 percent they all growing quickly

[00:19:29] and especially especially in London and I think there's a lot of people who are quite genuine genuine in the sense of that this is that genuine view I mean it might be on educator it was genuine

[00:19:41] and this great replacement theory is fueling it's fueling this well I don't mind we don't see we don't see the irony of the fact that of course we were in the Grinswants and you know we

[00:19:53] kicked the culture of UK and no mention of what we did to the Americans did to the Indigenous populations there let's just brush all that under the carpet you know immigration has been in

[00:20:04] the world since the first people left Africa to an out two and a half hundred thousand years ago we did my understanding of the great in the Greatest place in February the answer seven

[00:20:12] I had to submit to the idea that yeah about it it's just not of course it is just an event and of course and the other thing is don't this now I'm going to get a soapbox

[00:20:24] ex I'm going to get cross now a lot of this a lot of this immigration has been driven by war yes and found in a course this but a lot of it's been driven by a Blum and Climate Change

[00:20:33] and of course the country which is and you start to see a pattern here don't you start to say okay there's to be a stop climate change we get the immigration girl we can lock down we can raise

[00:20:43] our borders we've got an excuse let's say climate change is terrible now who's who has caught the most again by all these things you've got to stop thinking who has the most again who's funding all this stuff where is it coming from and I'm going to leave

[00:21:01] the listener our dear listener with that thought as we move on to the next subject because if things weren't depressing enough this is something to make marble bloodboreal which is what's been going on the yellow and pics because you and I are a lovely session last

[00:21:13] we said we chat about the Olympics we talked about how wonderful it was the fantastic opening ceremony we talked about how it seems inclusive blah blah blah and then 20 seconds later the whole boxing thing spilled over so do you want to tell us a little bit of a

[00:21:30] no indeed don't think it's I think we did sort of slightly torch on it but most of machines come out and yes two women boxes who are women who are a born women have always been

[00:21:41] women's cisgendered women have been have been called all sorts of things not that it should be anything they're called trans or even intersex which is neither the mind of standing as and it's all to do with some there were previously disqualified from a boxing tournament

[00:21:59] that was the the government body has links to Russia and it's all very murky and the Olympics have said they're not running boxing in the Olympic anymore and the Olympic Association said these boxes are absolutely fine to find and these two boxes are for what I think they've

[00:22:15] got into the final potential medals but they've been labelled and it's been awful and everybody jumped on everybody from JK Rowling to Donald Trump and all that nonsense has been used to attack trans people these poor women have been subject to terrible abuse and I felt so sorry

[00:22:33] I think particularly I've seen the Algerian boxer she's been in tears after about bounce because she's been you know talking about as information is a cheater or not whatever and it's absolutely awful these are these two women have been boxing for some time that

[00:22:47] I think she was in a previous Olympics when ever since she's not you know it's and it but it's a macrocosm of some of the stupidity of attacks on the trans community what it

[00:22:59] actually means the cisgendered women because women come along all say shapes and sizes and sometimes they're built to all the sometimes they're built strong women and not the strong women built

[00:23:09] so it's same with men and this is absolute nonsense that's been ripped off from what I can see it's whatever is behind all this my understanding at the moment is in no way

[00:23:24] as these women not really qualified to boxing this tournament at this moment and but it's been seized upon and I thankfully I think people of that media outlets have realized it's been in the

[00:23:38] wrong there was as reading how the Boston Globe had reported that the one of the box was trans gender and a factor issue apology because the box was not as any wrong of being a trans gender

[00:23:49] boxer but she isn't she's a woman who is boxing in the women's boxing in the Olympics and they fact are we are right there copying a apologise I think some people are going to find themselves

[00:24:00] in a bit of trouble for some of the reported on this I hope so because you know not long yeah and what's what's what gets my as a piece of graphing used to say what grinds

[00:24:11] my gears is Algeria has astonishingly strict anti LGBT laws yeah and it's punishable by death and what they're saying is these accusations have been thrown through none of these people and I mean this is this is potentially a life threatening situation now look at the Algerians

[00:24:31] are come out and defend it there and that's you know and what's even even more interesting is the Chinese fighter in lingo you tell me I think the tie with me is now of taking up a case

[00:24:42] and there's like an international incident going on and it's fair to say that the iba who the people credit the issue by the gender reality ability criteria a spirit test that wasn't actually didn't take place that had no validity no legitimacy or was sponsored by Russians yeah the

[00:25:05] Russian body yeah very strange things yeah and apparently it for one of the box out of jerry box I think it's in the world championship out the day after a substitute be essentially

[00:25:14] built to beat the Russian boxer who knows what's behind there but what you're like I mean why at earth would Algeria a country that doesn't recognise people's ability to legally change gender to change sex gender Russian they choose the box a gender trans boxer to the Olympics

[00:25:32] I put you know so it's terrible for them but it's also been just another way to attack our community and that's absolutely forgive me on that absolutely what happens in that and it's just just just so infuriating but yeah I think the message has got through now I'm

[00:25:52] understanding it's when the Algerian boxer bus has lots of last time got a lot of support from the crowd so I think people have now got the issue that this is definitely

[00:26:00] a misreporting unfair but I want to see some apologies are you going to see an apology from JK Rowling on this oh god hell are you not you know but what we need is we need people like JK

[00:26:11] Rowling there to be sued that's what should be happening now because this is defamation and you know to be accusing people of something they're not which is which will have especially if she goes back to a country and there's penalized anyway shape or form

[00:26:25] this is this is what the only thing that people understand like them is money and you know what yeah just don't get me stuck because I think the the scambler this is that they're not just saying it's someone who's trans there's what aren't lying is that women

[00:26:39] cisgendered women should look a certain way they should be right they should be do new there should be pretty there should be you know like it's like the it's misociation when it is misociation but someone's like they want she's people want step-to-wife step-to-wife

[00:26:55] that's the whole point about this I mean the issue of trans people in bought is relatively it's reported many ways that some different sports maybe maybe need to have some cryot area to accommodate letting trans people take part in sport and I imagine you could see

[00:27:11] the box in mind needs some a rules on that around eligibility in terms of I can sort of see that in boxes less so in some other sports but this is not but this is nothing about that

[00:27:22] this is nothing this is this is a wedgeshoot or attack trans people that's what this is about so outrage around this is just not really don't really care about the boxes they don't really care

[00:27:32] about women that care sport they want to care about is attacking our community and the users to do that you know so yeah no pretty awful thankfully I think the message is starting to get through now

[00:27:45] yeah so good for that so but yeah and that's almost sort of blew up the day after we did our podcast that we've taught is everything and yes so but I don't just so anyway well anyway

[00:27:59] oh take a breath because because of course it's it's August and what happens in August is we get a day of warm rain which is what summer has become and we get this start strictly

[00:28:15] and blindly normally that's a very happy affair but this year my goodness the sparkle has been well and truly tarnished and this 20th year it's coming there's being all sorts of allegations made against dancers I mean we've alluded to this in the past as well we talked about

[00:28:32] dancers or competitive people have competitive training regimes they're not trained but dance teachers what the orers very famous dancers competitive dancers who've been us to look after celebrities you've got people who by their very nature as celebrities come on

[00:28:46] have seen the sparkle expect this some of these celebrities are quite vulnerable they're not treated the same with a general public would be and given sort of psychological profile that a member

[00:28:56] of the public would get and are coming on and they're finding it difficult and of course now there's a big wave of kickback against strictly dancers leading to one or two of them

[00:29:08] haven't really the show one in which case probably rightly but you know and now what we've got is show runners and members of staff and some of the least powerful people in the production

[00:29:18] crew coming and saying I was bullied this that you know they're in such like and it's it's it's it's a tricky thing isn't it where something so joyous can be a problem and it can be a problem

[00:29:33] it's possible for something to be joyous and a problem at same time but it also is we have to be very careful that we're not just taking something that's actually quite lovely and just

[00:29:43] throwing it all away because that's the sort of implication that people want to have with it I think it will get through this so yeah we both love love to act and we actually taught

[00:29:52] violence podcasts or did we talk about this I don't remember anything we did it on the podcast or did we talk about it outside the podcast podcast of real life tends to mention to one sometimes

[00:30:02] Jill I could ever remember where we talked about things but we both love strictly and I think a lot of our community loves strictly it's a very inclusive program and it's strive to be more and more

[00:30:10] so in three years with same-sex dancers and and the whole thing feels like it's something that our community embraces and and yes it's it's it's sad to see I think what's happened you know

[00:30:25] you've rightly put that in a sense you've got the very competitive and probably quite brutal world of professional competition dancing with something that you know is about positivity entertainment inclusivity and everything else and over the years strictly has just got more and more competitive

[00:30:44] and I think as an audience we've expected that so the standards of dancing now is set I mean I've watched it from the start as if you have the standards of dancing in now is so much higher than

[00:30:54] it was when it started I remember the first series one of the finalists could really dance at all Christopher Parker as a name was and he was yeah it was it was fun there was good dancing but it was

[00:31:05] much more fun and then you had you know as John Sergeant so now it is so ultra competitive and the dancers are because for their careers actually winning it is as important as winning competitions

[00:31:16] now so I think it's got a way from everybody a little bit and maybe when it comes back and it will come back because they're an ounce of the new dancers I think they'll obviously deal with

[00:31:27] some of those issues but I think maybe it needs to refind its joy a little bit and a bit less of you know how heavily scrutinized you know how the level of competition was so high

[00:31:41] and so the expectations are so high on everybody and that puts pressure on everybody so I hope that I think things change I think everybody will expect and it to be a bit different this

[00:31:52] year so I'm glad to see it still continuing but it doesn't need to change and obviously there needs to be some significant changes because you're ever right about that so be

[00:32:01] interesting we ought to do a really deep dive podcast issue on strictly at some time but it is it's exciting and yeah I just concerning one we talk about the set show run is because those are

[00:32:10] the people without not the show run is the the run is on the show show run is something else but the people who work on the series if they've been feeling bullied absolutely I'm not saying

[00:32:20] anybody should be bullied of course not but they need to be listened to because they haven't really got the voice of the media necessarily but be very interested to see how they handle it when

[00:32:29] it comes back and and how do we handle that issue because I don't think you're like nor right I think they will face head on on that when it does come back so it will be interesting to watch but

[00:32:41] I think we've all got to maybe have our expectations that these celebrities won't become almost professional dancers in a few weeks which is sort of what we we've seen to expect of them and that seems unrealistic and and probably is the this pressure and not excuse anybody's behavior

[00:32:58] and I don't want to excuse anybody's behavior but there's sort of two incompatible worlds really aren't they that that all should competitive professional culture and I imagine some of the training for young dancers is pretty pretty brutal I tried to manage that Marie that with a feel good

[00:33:16] celebrity show doesn't necessarily work because it's led probably this was maybe inevitable but I'm still positive it's still looking forward to it gel as I'm sure you are and yeah of course

[00:33:29] I hope that's a good question for me I need to tell you know that many in our community and many of our listeners will cherish because there's not many shows that we all watch on tell

[00:33:37] any more to be honest yeah strictly is one of them yeah and and I think good yes I've always wanted I have to say I know when I'm going to talk about this now but I've always wanted to strictly

[00:33:49] the professionals because I think that would be that would be a show a bit like a big off the professionals which is my absolute number one favorite reality program so strictly the professions are they're quite great don't you we don't we didn't just be watching professionals

[00:34:05] that's a competition I suppose I mean I did my friend I did actually go to see Anton Dubak and everyone we went to a lot to see them there were like an epic bolt and town hall or something

[00:34:18] and it was amazing because the speed of the professional dancers compared to strictly the way that the speeds that they were twirly around I've got a focus on wherever me we've

[00:34:26] had to do back I must admit he was looking a very strange with his standing next to me I was going to show quite sure about the photograph of Dierold Anton and he's made me be in a

[00:34:37] big girl he's made some slightly fat phobic comments in the past I think so I don't know I don't think he looks like the awkward is the picture's like funny but it was amazing to see them

[00:34:48] I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm too unfortunate but amazing to see them so yeah yeah we'll we'll see but yeah maybe you should see how to align some professional dancing competition still

[00:35:00] and see that might say your quest for that well I think I told you earlier this year I was taking dancing lessons oh you're going to I did that I can't remember you tell me that

[00:35:11] you've got so many secrets Jill you're going to tell me your professionally dance at one point are you and well I used to remember the role balays you know I totally believe that I did

[00:35:23] yeah with your fire I was in the orchestra it's my it's my clinton oh you were the orchestras yeah you got me now then now then let's get us some good stuff so Tim Walls who is that you

[00:35:39] vice presidential pic of it's apparently snow comola harris we're into without camolle like in Pamela no it's comola you know no it's comola you know no it's comola really it's good right

[00:35:51] it's super tomato I think it's comola it's comola anyway not anyway coming on to it has picked Tom Wolves and Tom Walls has pronounced and he's quite an interesting interesting pick there thought it was going to be someone the what's his face Shapiro to bring pencil there and

[00:36:09] he ever over but none of them gone with Tim Walls you know really interesting ex and football coach vex you know all run good egg type you know solid American mid heartlander sort of thing yeah obviously already being characterized this dangerously woke dangerously liberal I mean liberal

[00:36:30] I mean the metemocrat party in the stage are really equivalent really of our wet toys I mean that's what they are the art of right of center and it's just that they were Republicans now so far

[00:36:41] right did you see in fact that the Arizona Republican party have no decided not to support their incumbent choice which is Donald Trump then I was supporting the Republicans are supporting down the hours I have read that and yeah I watched the speech that comola made with Tim

[00:37:03] Walls is it your present walls I did like the sausages I mean I would say I would say if you talk about the Democrats actually I think on social issues they're left of our Labour party

[00:37:17] to the our trans issues I think you can humically they might be more more at the tour is but and I think it's interesting but he has you know he amazing I would listen to his story you

[00:37:28] know he's a I think he he he he he he served in the forces that got him into the university became a teacher supported his school when the trans turns a setting up a LGBT supportive group

[00:37:40] in the schools of teacher you know he's from the very start then you know then became a congressman and now a governor but particularly has made a point of about supporting our community

[00:37:52] you know he he signed a bill protecting young trans people in their families if they were coming from states where being given gender affirming carries illegal you know that he he's gone out of

[00:38:04] his way to support our community and make Minnesota which I don't know much about other than watching the film fargo which is setting Minnesota and I'm about film yeah and they call

[00:38:15] the other single Minnesota now I so I think quite polite as a as a population they've got that reputation for but he's gone out of his way as a governor to stand up and protect our community

[00:38:28] both LGBT Q& particularly trans people from where we are banning conversions there would be you know signing bills and not being afraid to do that and I think it's an amazing appointment I think it's

[00:38:39] an amazing appointment for our community and it's an amazing appointment because I had not he wasn't one of the favorite candidates I don't think I hadn't really heard his name mentioned and

[00:38:49] he's his speech yesterday was if anybody saw it was amazing it's a story of if there is an American dream in some way you know he's that you know absolutely working they don't tell

[00:39:02] to use work working class they're the American the all call themselves middle class but you know working class person finding the way go through you know he's a he's a shooter police against

[00:39:13] he wants some control you know so he's interesting like that you know that he sees that they've got some good control on the back of the school shooting just prepared to you know change his

[00:39:25] politics and views see what's happening started that's something you want to the politician isn't and he seems like a really positive I mean you know everybody's more I was pretty depressed about what's happening in America and it and it's totally would be terrible but it will be terrible

[00:39:41] for America for Trump's going to be terrible for the world and for our community as well because it's not going to be good for us if we get some deal like that now if you know if come

[00:39:51] other and Tim will get a present device president that has to be good for our communities well not this is all about us yeah everything I really about him in terms of you know his views on

[00:40:06] it's not it's not it's activism on LGBT Coups rights is is really heartened you know as opposed to what we see from me opposite yeah you know you know Trump and JD funds who are just

[00:40:21] there's been labeled dead just weird as a part of it and I mean I was watching a bit of video of Fox News reaction to him because they're all you know scared to death now because it looks

[00:40:34] like the Democrats could could well win the election now or certainly have a good chance that they may be didn't a few weeks ago and then all the end up in the doing it is attacking

[00:40:44] attacking him about trying his views on trans people that's all they've got left and actually I don't I think in America people are tired of hearing that I think most normal thing in

[00:40:55] Americans are just tired of hearing all that nonsense well it's it's nice to hear some good news it's gorgeous positive and there's two of the bits of good news if there's another crunch and

[00:41:06] they went with first dot-o-o but I just I just forgot this is that term hope again hope oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh and his the hope the British medical association

[00:41:17] gold bless the house have come out and said that the castry well I was going to say the cover and said the castry bought was pants but they haven't what is said is they they doubt

[00:41:27] the legitimacy of the report and they have things that has serious failings and they're going to do their own research and people do block us and such like interview fair I mean the way the

[00:41:36] government interpreted the castry bought wasn't what it the castry bought said and castes has has self said that however there is so much poor science and I know we again we talked about doing

[00:41:47] a podcast episode about the poor science in this but I think the fact that there's been such a pushback there's been so much talk about this and continues to be talk is really important another's being a couple legal cases trying to push against the ruling and transactional

[00:42:04] had a bash at that and failed and it's probably right that actually we chased down the DNA route because actually what we want to say is doctors, medics, actual professionals who know something about medicine strangely enough, they're the people that should be making these choices and

[00:42:20] if we believe that there should be some medicalization as part of the trans-process to be able to assess when the people should have surgeries and blah blah blah then I know people don't like the word medicalization but in terms of surgical risk and surgical opportunity there has to

[00:42:37] be some and we should be trusting doctors for that we shouldn't be trusting politicians I'd rather have absolutely some I mean not all doctors are perfect wonderful but I heck a lot more

[00:42:46] than I'd rather trust the doctors and yeah yeah can you buy to not cause any of the other week to decide my surgery plan and my and the and the puberty plan for kids and grandkids over the

[00:42:57] next 20 years yeah I mean the narrowest you're the character support with supposed to be looking in with about no security blockers the science at the cash report is being the debunked and that's what the BMA of of C's upon and the cut support so damaging because it's been

[00:43:13] seen as legit as being legitimized and seen actually throughout the world it's been used to attack trans rights across the board and that is really good to see our you know as a trade union

[00:43:25] representative of a self-hire colleagues in the BMA which is the doctor's trade union saying actually this is not right this is not this is not scientifically correct or maybe not I'm

[00:43:36] able to leave for what I understand it is not robust as a report and then that's the first start to push it back push it back on this so yeah good news so there are the our claimers of

[00:43:50] how it's going to be like green shoots of hope but that's the that's the older gene green shoots of recovery but there are the rest sides of hope for something and if that's

[00:43:59] definitely and I just set out a safe a child gender services model and opening up six new regional centers so you know what what that's interesting in the sense that there is something new happening because

[00:44:12] I do I did my own view was that nothing would have really happened around they're this for a while because I thought there were big issues but it is interesting that the

[00:44:22] some of the stuff that was positive and got started because the tab of start was sure because it all sorts of who are but there is no there are new facilities been opened I mean not for

[00:44:32] adults but at least something for kids because actually a lot of damages don't you know for adults by not having trans issues dealt with when you've gone through a community here I know that there's a view that transgender a zzzzzzzzzz and it's just a new red diverse

[00:44:51] situation now and you know it's just part of autism and ADHD and all that sort of stuff which is lovely a lovely thing to be told but I think the vast majority of knows that is completely

[00:45:03] not a quite rubbish and no so let's let's I mean I think I think we're right to be hopeful this is a start of a pushback against the report that's been so damaging and wrongheaded

[00:45:16] in some of its conclusions and process that we might start to get some pushback and actually if there are things that things need to be improved for at the moment you know let's

[00:45:27] let's keep a fingers crossed but we'll be all over that and we'll probably do a more deeper diving into the subject of future podcasts maybe about what is maybe right and what is we feel is wrong in that classroom port I mean it's very interesting I'm not a

[00:45:43] you're you've better qualified to talk about these subjects still with your background than I am but there's some of the conclusions seem odd to me anyway I'm only better qualified to just

[00:45:55] start trek so any of us let's go on to our final subject and that was just a thing of joy to to be saying how many prides are there's loads of prides everywhere it's been really fascinating

[00:46:09] some of we know semi-cod right you've got involvement in new forest pride on South Coast first or whenever there's tons I mean there's lots of politics and inviting between prides but prides are really interesting for our community and this year is strange you know because of all

[00:46:23] the backlash has been a heck of a lot less rainbow washing and that maybe is not a good thing as well but in terms of you know bits and pieces politically and culturally rolling forward but it's been quite

[00:46:35] nice this year prides have been the most we turned to some of their source the well spring of where prides originally sprung from which is a protest but also a celebration of of our quick immunity and coming together and showing solid brats down and basically sticking to fingers

[00:46:52] up the world and saying we're here and just by being here this is our active reserve resistance and seeing how many people are still prepared to come out and support and be allies

[00:47:01] and just a thing of beauty isn't it it is absolutely I mean they're all they're all very different and the one I've in our city's the country is lovely it's very much community

[00:47:12] store based uh we've entered that in a part they have a parade but it's more based around the community and both the NHS I work for my union as they are proud to be there and

[00:47:23] that's great to see others I've become much bigger in Birmingham and Manchester and they can get character merchandise that if you're not careful but I think I think they're to be cherished

[00:47:33] and it now goes on beyond the month so seems to take place all through June July and and it's August but may long back continue here yeah here you see we can always find

[00:47:49] the part of the gold at the end of the rainbow sadly we've never had the chance to spend it and one of the days we were building so look it's been it it's been a jesse pot we've gone through

[00:48:00] the gamut of emotion we have responses haven't we it's been an emotional roller coaster we've had highs we've had lows and we've had some quite average bits as well but that's like a normal podcast for us

[00:48:11] so lovely it's always taught you Jell and we should do every bit on our list which is good indeed maybe we should have a list we almost focused at one point Jell it was amazing we nearly

[00:48:21] fell off the wagon once twice but you know there you go I'm sure our listener and Taiwan will be pleased and of course our listener Taiwan might be part of that trans debate who knows would not

[00:48:31] mean be an evident we never don't we never know but locally I've a sit little bit time enjoy watching the telly and I shall see you next week see you next week Jell bye everyone thanks for

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