Transvox - Christmas Ramblings

[00:00:07] Hi and welcome back to Transvox. And Jenny, it's lovely to see you. It's three episodes since the last time I saw you. How about that?

[00:00:16] That's an age these days. It's so brilliant to see you, Jill, as always.

[00:00:20] Well, I mean, we had Helen Webberley on and we had Dr. Virginia Quiney talking about GP services.

[00:00:28] Yeah, proper Brady people.

[00:00:29] Katie and such like. But it's always my favourite person to be seen in front of me is Jenny. So have a good old chat and put the world to rights. I think that's the thing, isn't it?

[00:00:41] Yeah, we can't be having every podcast of a high intellectual level of debate. We need a bit of filler in between, Jill. It's that that makes life interesting.

[00:00:52] Well, look, this is what I was thinking about. As you know, I'm a bit of a fan of Christmas.

[00:00:58] I'm a bit of a fan of not because I particularly do well or anything other reason just to be honest with you, I've got some vested interest in why I like Christmas.

[00:01:06] We'll talk about it a bit. But I know next year, next year, next week, what we're going to do is a bit of a end of year retrospective and a bit of a think forward into 2025.

[00:01:15] And I think next next week's episode is going to be a bit tougher. It's going to be a bit more gritty. It's going to be a bit more.

[00:01:22] There's some big issues for us to talk about. But I thought it would be nice in the spirit of, you know, a lot of people coming to the end of school terms and some people finishing this, you know, off for a couple of weeks at Christmas holidays and such like.

[00:01:35] It's nice to have a bit of a more flippant episode, a bit more relaxed.

[00:01:43] So that's that's my thinking. So in front of me, I have a mince pie and I have a plate of crumbs because they were the four mince pies I've already eaten.

[00:01:54] I've got a cup of tea and I'm ready to do chatting. First of all, are you a Christmas mince pie fan?

[00:02:01] It has to be said.

[00:02:02] I like a mince pie. I definitely like a mince pie.

[00:02:05] I was thinking about this the other day because I was doing some online shopping and you go on a section and say Christmas stuff and you think some really nice stuff.

[00:02:11] Christmas food for over Christmas. But there's part of my brain that says if that's really nice, why can't we have it all year all year round?

[00:02:18] Why do we have to have some foods just over Christmas? That that irritates me.

[00:02:22] If it's something really nice, if you really like mince pies, you ought to be able to eat them anytime is my.

[00:02:27] Well, it is funny, isn't it? These days when you go to like a Marcus and Spencer's or somewhere, you can get hot cross buns every single week of the year.

[00:02:36] Isn't that weird?

[00:02:37] I didn't know that, but I rarely go into M&S. So, yes.

[00:02:42] I like a bit of old tea.

[00:02:42] But I think it should be. If things are nice, we should be able to eat them every time of the year.

[00:02:47] Yeah. But I do like a mince pie. And so I have to say I have been indulging because I, you know, I'm from the North East and we do like pastry.

[00:02:56] Anything that has pastry of any description wrapped around it is a thing of beauty, really, I've always discovered.

[00:03:02] I think Christmas mince pies are the most confusing thing for people from not from the UK, though.

[00:03:08] I was watching a video about this from Americans. They don't have pies in the same way we do, but they think of mince like mince.

[00:03:15] Yes.

[00:03:15] Yeah. And then when you say, oh, I'm having a mince pie. It's sweet.

[00:03:18] It just sounds. It just sounds terrible to people not from this country.

[00:03:27] I think that's.

[00:03:27] Yeah.

[00:03:27] But yeah, no, I love a mince pie.

[00:03:30] I think it's better for having chocolate on it.

[00:03:33] Oh, yeah, yeah. I do like chocolate. I do like special chocolates at Christmas.

[00:03:38] I like getting a box of Hotel Chocolat, you know, one of those sleekster things.

[00:03:42] Very expensive. And it's a real treat.

[00:03:45] Yeah. M&S and Hotel Chocolat.

[00:03:48] Well, here's me, Lidl and Cabra's dairy milk.

[00:03:51] But that's the divide between us, Jill, I think.

[00:03:54] See, this is, we're very posh in the North East.

[00:03:57] It's Aldi and Marcus and Spencer's.

[00:04:00] Yeah.

[00:04:04] So we go for the, one of the things I found was interesting becoming trans,

[00:04:07] not becoming trans, but sort of, you know, presenting as trans,

[00:04:11] was having this opportunity to build some new sort of Christmas traditions.

[00:04:15] Because it is interesting, isn't it?

[00:04:17] When you, if you're in a relationship that's relatively,

[00:04:22] well, first of all, if you're in a relationship, that's one thing.

[00:04:24] The second thing is if you're in a relationship that's relatively supportive,

[00:04:28] one of the things I've found is the whole notion of presents changes.

[00:04:32] And I know if you're on your own, you can buy yourself whatever you want.

[00:04:35] You don't need to do Christmas to do that.

[00:04:37] But I think for a lot of trans people, it's quite, it's like a,

[00:04:42] it's like a completely new thing, getting presents from people who

[00:04:47] sort of recognise who you are for the first time.

[00:04:49] That's quite, it's been quite a revelation.

[00:04:51] Yeah. No, I forgot about that.

[00:04:52] You're absolutely right.

[00:04:53] Because I, I'm absolutely right.

[00:04:55] I mean, I remember the first time,

[00:04:58] I remember the first time I think my mum would do all the buying and presents

[00:05:01] of between my mum and dad.

[00:05:03] And she would get me things that were female, feminine.

[00:05:07] And then of course, because she'd normally just get me male coded stuff.

[00:05:12] Right.

[00:05:13] That I was probably interested in because frankly,

[00:05:15] I'm interested in everything and anything.

[00:05:17] But she'd also get me some, some more girly stuff, you know,

[00:05:21] if I want to term it like that.

[00:05:22] And, and, and I think, yeah, I remember that.

[00:05:24] She sort of struggled with it at first.

[00:05:25] And then she got really in the role of it.

[00:05:27] And I think she, she liked that because she, she hadn't got a daughter,

[00:05:30] you know, she's got me as a daughter,

[00:05:31] but she hadn't got a daughter growing when we were growing up.

[00:05:34] And then she quite liked that because she was shopping with, you know,

[00:05:39] with having another woman in the, in the nuclear family.

[00:05:42] So she liked that.

[00:05:43] So yeah, that was definitely nice.

[00:05:44] And, you know, and just getting, yeah, it was definitely not,

[00:05:47] that was definitely a special Christmases when I felt accepted at home

[00:05:51] and was able to be myself and then receive presents and things

[00:05:55] as myself.

[00:05:56] You're absolutely right.

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:58] You sort of forget those times.

[00:06:00] That was really.

[00:06:01] I think especially when you're,

[00:06:03] and I know you've been transitioning a heck of a lot longer than me.

[00:06:05] And I think it's still.

[00:06:06] Centuries.

[00:06:07] Centuries longer.

[00:06:08] Literally.

[00:06:09] It feels like.

[00:06:09] Yeah.

[00:06:09] It's a, yeah.

[00:06:11] Well, and this, I mean, things are tricky at the moment, but so,

[00:06:13] you know, we'll back, but that'll be next week.

[00:06:15] But I think, I think a lot of people find trans people, you know,

[00:06:20] sorry, a lot of trans people find Christmas very difficult because

[00:06:22] actually sometimes that Christmas gathering, you know,

[00:06:26] where you're bumping into family for the first time, you know,

[00:06:30] when you, but you also have the whole stress of Christmas,

[00:06:32] don't you?

[00:06:32] Because there's a lot of people who,

[00:06:34] they sort of go mad at Christmas, don't they?

[00:06:37] It becomes a very significant event because actually it's almost like

[00:06:40] it's just one day and everything builds up to that one day.

[00:06:44] And then you have the following day and it's all gone and it's finished.

[00:06:48] It's quite a peculiar sort of set of circumstances, isn't it?

[00:06:52] I'm not sure.

[00:06:53] Well, it is because we, yeah, I think particularly if you, it is,

[00:06:57] I don't think you can underestimate how difficult it would be for trans

[00:07:00] people, but non-binary people as well.

[00:07:02] I was speaking to some colleagues, Jennifer,

[00:07:04] I was gender non-binary and, you know,

[00:07:06] the family don't manage to remember to use or respect pronouns.

[00:07:11] And then you're finding yourself for maybe a couple of days having to not be

[00:07:15] yourself.

[00:07:16] And, you know, that, I think that can be really tough.

[00:07:19] And then that's, that's not an uncommon experience,

[00:07:22] I think within families.

[00:07:25] And that's the more difficult side of it.

[00:07:27] And I still get,

[00:07:28] I still get a card from a very confused uncle and auntie that,

[00:07:32] addresses the envelope in my old dead name with the wrong moniker.

[00:07:36] And then in the card inside the envelope says,

[00:07:39] happy Christmas, Jenny.

[00:07:40] So it just,

[00:07:41] it's clearly very confused,

[00:07:43] but,

[00:07:43] and you sort of learn to live with that a little bit.

[00:07:46] Yeah.

[00:07:47] But yeah,

[00:07:48] that bit of it can be difficult because the intensity is,

[00:07:51] is so much really,

[00:07:52] and so much invested in that,

[00:07:54] that period,

[00:07:54] I think for families and families can be difficult,

[00:07:57] but,

[00:07:58] but there is,

[00:07:59] you know,

[00:07:59] there is something as well as experiencing Christmas as a woman for the

[00:08:03] first time.

[00:08:04] It's like any other new experiences after your transition.

[00:08:07] It's all exciting and new in some respects.

[00:08:10] Well,

[00:08:11] well,

[00:08:11] here's a thought you see,

[00:08:12] because what got me ruminating was that we had a listener's question,

[00:08:15] you see,

[00:08:16] and,

[00:08:17] um,

[00:08:17] this is Ella and Ella's a first,

[00:08:20] well,

[00:08:21] a trans woman,

[00:08:22] but just in the process of coming out.

[00:08:27] And,

[00:08:27] and her question is,

[00:08:29] I've decided to,

[00:08:31] I was thinking about,

[00:08:32] she said,

[00:08:33] I was thinking about coming out to my entire family on Christmas day.

[00:08:37] That is,

[00:08:38] no,

[00:08:39] that's what I thought.

[00:08:40] That's what let me think.

[00:08:42] You see,

[00:08:42] this is,

[00:08:43] this was a really interesting thought.

[00:08:44] I mean,

[00:08:44] that is a high risk,

[00:08:45] high return strategy.

[00:08:46] I was going to say that's ballsy,

[00:08:47] but that's probably an appropriately gendered language,

[00:08:50] but that's a bit,

[00:08:52] um,

[00:08:52] if I'm being honest,

[00:08:54] that's,

[00:08:55] I mean,

[00:08:56] look,

[00:08:56] everybody's got to find their own way and every family is different.

[00:08:59] So I don't think there's one way fits all,

[00:09:01] but that is,

[00:09:01] um,

[00:09:03] I guess if you feel your family would be okay with you just making that

[00:09:06] declaration,

[00:09:07] I guess that could work.

[00:09:09] I couldn't imagine me ever doing that.

[00:09:14] It's a good way of being a center of attention on Christmas day.

[00:09:17] If you like attention.

[00:09:19] And this is what's interesting.

[00:09:21] They've got it all planned out and they've actually bought,

[00:09:23] uh,

[00:09:24] um,

[00:09:24] a new outfit.

[00:09:25] Apparently,

[00:09:27] as I read on through the email,

[00:09:28] it sounds like,

[00:09:29] uh,

[00:09:30] well,

[00:09:30] his mother's very,

[00:09:31] um,

[00:09:32] supportive,

[00:09:32] but the rest of the family are not.

[00:09:33] So basically they've got a,

[00:09:35] got her an outfit and she's going to appear at the Christmas dinner dressed

[00:09:39] as herself and,

[00:09:41] and announce the news and,

[00:09:42] and,

[00:09:43] you know,

[00:09:44] hopefully everyone will have had a drink and she feels people will be

[00:09:47] festive and,

[00:09:48] and accommodating.

[00:09:50] I mean,

[00:09:52] I mean,

[00:09:52] I can,

[00:09:52] I can imagine,

[00:09:53] I can imagine all sorts of ways that might go.

[00:09:55] Can't you?

[00:09:56] It's,

[00:09:56] um,

[00:09:57] well,

[00:09:58] it's,

[00:09:58] it certainly would be,

[00:09:59] I mean,

[00:09:59] you do you,

[00:10:00] I guess.

[00:10:00] I mean,

[00:10:01] it's,

[00:10:01] it's not something I could seem,

[00:10:03] I mean,

[00:10:04] I've,

[00:10:04] you know,

[00:10:04] when I came out to people,

[00:10:06] it was on a one by one basis.

[00:10:07] I think I didn't ever at any point sort of,

[00:10:12] but there's no,

[00:10:13] I don't think that when we,

[00:10:14] I've always,

[00:10:15] always talk about transition.

[00:10:16] There's no right or wrong way.

[00:10:17] In some ways,

[00:10:18] you've got to judge your own circumstances,

[00:10:21] your own people,

[00:10:21] I guess.

[00:10:22] So there's no,

[00:10:23] I don't think there's a right or wrong way.

[00:10:24] It's certainly,

[00:10:26] um,

[00:10:27] a bold approach,

[00:10:28] but I say,

[00:10:29] it certainly gets it done.

[00:10:32] I guess,

[00:10:33] um,

[00:10:34] to that wider family.

[00:10:35] I mean,

[00:10:37] I don't know.

[00:10:38] I'm just not sure.

[00:10:39] I'm not sure I could come out and declare anything new on Christmas day.

[00:10:43] It just seems,

[00:10:44] um,

[00:10:45] but,

[00:10:45] um,

[00:10:45] yeah,

[00:10:46] I mean,

[00:10:47] you'd go for it,

[00:10:47] Ella,

[00:10:48] if it works for you,

[00:10:48] but was it Ella or Ellie?

[00:10:50] I can't remember.

[00:10:51] Ella.

[00:10:53] But if it,

[00:10:53] if it,

[00:10:53] if it works for you,

[00:10:55] um,

[00:10:55] I guess,

[00:10:56] but,

[00:10:56] um,

[00:10:57] I think you've got to,

[00:10:58] I think you've got to know,

[00:11:00] you've got to know your audience a little bit.

[00:11:02] I think the thing I always think about families and Christmas is that they're often a little

[00:11:05] bit more high tension,

[00:11:06] high stress because you've got,

[00:11:08] especially if you've got more than one generation,

[00:11:10] you know,

[00:11:11] and you can have that thing where,

[00:11:13] so for example,

[00:11:13] if I'm from the Northeast,

[00:11:14] as you know,

[00:11:15] I mean,

[00:11:15] traditional family Christmases are usually fraught with a massive row and,

[00:11:19] um,

[00:11:20] you know,

[00:11:20] an attempt at playing a game and,

[00:11:22] you know,

[00:11:23] people being,

[00:11:23] you know,

[00:11:26] comatose after lunch because they've eaten so much,

[00:11:28] they can barely move.

[00:11:29] Um,

[00:11:30] and I suppose it's a,

[00:11:31] it's an,

[00:11:31] it's a thought that you could slip the news under the radar,

[00:11:34] but also you could stimulate the most enormous fight and the most enormous

[00:11:39] rift.

[00:11:39] But I think,

[00:11:40] I think,

[00:11:41] you know,

[00:11:41] cause when I first thought about,

[00:11:42] I thought,

[00:11:43] my God,

[00:11:43] that is a,

[00:11:44] that is a,

[00:11:46] that is a madness of the first order.

[00:11:48] But the more I started to talk to myself about it,

[00:11:50] the more I sort of think,

[00:11:50] well,

[00:11:51] actually,

[00:11:51] do you know what?

[00:11:51] If you know your family well,

[00:11:53] and I think critically,

[00:11:54] Ella's got a mother who's on her side and that's part of the battle,

[00:11:57] isn't it?

[00:11:58] I,

[00:11:58] you've got,

[00:11:59] I think in,

[00:12:00] that's the only thing I'd say is you've got to,

[00:12:03] and I'd always,

[00:12:04] if I'm,

[00:12:04] I'm not,

[00:12:06] I don't,

[00:12:07] I feel,

[00:12:07] I don't feel like I don't want to give advice or preach,

[00:12:09] because I think everybody got to judge how they come out in their own way.

[00:12:13] You know,

[00:12:14] I didn't actually come out to my parents.

[00:12:16] I was outed to my parents and that,

[00:12:18] you know,

[00:12:19] I didn't really have the bravery or courage.

[00:12:21] So I sort of can't say there's definitely a right way,

[00:12:24] but one thing I'm,

[00:12:25] I think is you need to judge the people,

[00:12:27] how they're going to receive that,

[00:12:28] I think,

[00:12:29] and then work what's best for you.

[00:12:31] But I think if you need to do that,

[00:12:33] I think,

[00:12:34] you know,

[00:12:35] you've got to do what works for you.

[00:12:37] But I do think it's worthwhile thinking out there,

[00:12:40] the people that are going to maybe respond.

[00:12:43] But yeah,

[00:12:44] that sounds like a Christmas wall.

[00:12:48] I'd like to be a fly on in a way,

[00:12:50] but,

[00:12:50] you know.

[00:12:51] But I do also think that sometimes we trans people are being,

[00:12:55] are accused sometimes of being a little bit self-censored and self-absorbed.

[00:12:59] And I just wonder if,

[00:13:01] I just wonder if actually that's a great way to spoil everybody else's Christmas.

[00:13:05] And actually,

[00:13:06] sometimes you've got to think about the others as well.

[00:13:08] But then again,

[00:13:09] you know,

[00:13:10] we spend our lives thinking about what other people,

[00:13:12] I would argue that most of us spend our lives far too much worried about what other people,

[00:13:16] instead of thinking about our own well-being,

[00:13:19] our own mindset,

[00:13:20] because that's why we don't come out sooner.

[00:13:23] That's why we don't transition sooner.

[00:13:25] So,

[00:13:26] anybody who says that is not understanding that the vast majority of us have struggled for periods of time before getting the courage to,

[00:13:37] and getting to the position to be able to come out.

[00:13:39] So,

[00:13:39] I would always argue with that,

[00:13:41] because I don't actually think that's true.

[00:13:42] I think we are,

[00:13:43] we by nature,

[00:13:46] if we're not able to re-transition,

[00:13:49] our accommodating everybody else before ourselves.

[00:13:52] I would argue.

[00:13:53] Well,

[00:13:53] all I want to know is,

[00:13:55] Ella,

[00:13:55] afterwards,

[00:13:56] whatever you do,

[00:13:57] let us know how it goes,

[00:13:58] because I would be absolutely fascinated to,

[00:13:59] to hear more about that journey and that story.

[00:14:02] I think,

[00:14:03] obviously,

[00:14:04] Ella's a remarkable person.

[00:14:05] And as many of us are,

[00:14:06] of course.

[00:14:07] All of us are.

[00:14:08] Now,

[00:14:09] I wanted to tell you about another remarkable person I know,

[00:14:12] who's a sibling of mine,

[00:14:14] who's trans,

[00:14:15] who's actually become very good on the radio.

[00:14:18] Oh,

[00:14:19] right.

[00:14:19] Go on.

[00:14:20] She's a trans sister.

[00:14:22] Oh,

[00:14:22] God.

[00:14:23] I was,

[00:14:24] I can't believe,

[00:14:27] I really can't believe,

[00:14:28] one,

[00:14:29] I fell for that.

[00:14:31] And secondly,

[00:14:33] it is,

[00:14:33] that's a really poor joke.

[00:14:36] That's a great,

[00:14:37] terrible pub.

[00:14:38] Because I was going to think,

[00:14:39] you've never told me you've got a trans sister.

[00:14:41] What,

[00:14:41] what a way to break that news to me in the middle of a pod.

[00:14:45] But you see,

[00:14:46] this is another thing I love about Christmas.

[00:14:48] It's just such a great opportunity.

[00:14:50] So,

[00:14:50] you're just,

[00:14:51] you're the cracker jokes.

[00:14:52] Yeah.

[00:14:53] Gosh,

[00:14:54] you must be unsufferable with cracker jokes.

[00:14:56] terrible.

[00:14:56] Jill on Christmas day.

[00:14:58] Terrible.

[00:15:01] And,

[00:15:03] this,

[00:15:03] this has amused me.

[00:15:04] This is one I saw great.

[00:15:06] Why did the turkey join the band?

[00:15:11] I don't know,

[00:15:13] Jill.

[00:15:13] Because it had all the drumsticks.

[00:15:17] You see,

[00:15:18] you're very good at these things normally.

[00:15:19] So,

[00:15:19] I've been,

[00:15:20] I've been researching ones that you might not have come across,

[00:15:23] you see.

[00:15:25] My brain's not working too fast.

[00:15:27] But,

[00:15:28] yes.

[00:15:29] Yeah.

[00:15:29] I imagine you are full of,

[00:15:32] I can almost picture your face full of relish at cracker jokes,

[00:15:35] Jill.

[00:15:36] Yeah.

[00:15:36] Where the rest of us mortals are looking at them thinking,

[00:15:40] oh,

[00:15:40] I don't want to read that out.

[00:15:41] That's so cringe.

[00:15:43] You know?

[00:15:45] I just think,

[00:15:46] I just think there are certain things you can get away with at Christmas,

[00:15:48] which you can't anywhere.

[00:15:49] So,

[00:15:50] terrible jokes,

[00:15:50] terrible puns.

[00:15:51] You get away with that at every single point.

[00:15:53] I'm going to be a podcast,

[00:15:53] Jill.

[00:15:54] I will.

[00:15:54] That's true.

[00:15:56] I'm having none of it.

[00:15:59] But tell you,

[00:16:00] Christmas is good.

[00:16:01] We've got Strictly on Christmas Day.

[00:16:03] You normally have a Doctor Who.

[00:16:04] And I mean,

[00:16:04] it's always lovely to see those two programmes,

[00:16:07] wonderfully inclusive.

[00:16:08] And I think actually this year,

[00:16:09] we've got a Dreaddoughter Sons,

[00:16:11] Tace,

[00:16:12] who's on Christmas Day this year,

[00:16:15] the Christmas special for Strictly.

[00:16:16] So,

[00:16:17] that's awesome.

[00:16:17] On Christmas,

[00:16:18] yeah.

[00:16:18] Yeah,

[00:16:19] because it's not,

[00:16:19] I mean,

[00:16:19] it's not,

[00:16:20] I mean,

[00:16:21] there's very few sort of appointments to viewing on Christmas Day like there used to be.

[00:16:24] We're going to start talking about Morecambe and Wise in a minute, aren't we?

[00:16:27] You are.

[00:16:27] All those days.

[00:16:29] But,

[00:16:30] yeah,

[00:16:31] yeah,

[00:16:31] there are a couple of good things to watch on Christmas Day.

[00:16:35] And it is for me,

[00:16:36] you know,

[00:16:36] with me and my,

[00:16:37] that will be me and my dad and my family for Christmas.

[00:16:40] And then,

[00:16:41] yeah,

[00:16:41] mainly about telling and feeling stuffed,

[00:16:43] really.

[00:16:44] Yeah.

[00:16:44] yeah,

[00:16:45] Strictly should be definitely,

[00:16:46] again,

[00:16:47] worth a watch at Christmas as a one-off.

[00:16:49] And Doctor Who.

[00:16:50] I love Doctor Who,

[00:16:51] yeah.

[00:16:52] Is it on Christmas Day?

[00:16:53] Because sometimes they mess around with it,

[00:16:54] whether it's,

[00:16:56] I don't know if it's Christmas Day or Boxing Day,

[00:16:58] I presume it's Christmas Day.

[00:16:59] It's usually on Christmas Day,

[00:17:01] because it's sort of become a tradition now to have a Christmas special,

[00:17:04] isn't it?

[00:17:04] Yeah,

[00:17:05] but sometimes these Christmas specials,

[00:17:06] I don't know.

[00:17:07] I haven't looked.

[00:17:08] Yeah,

[00:17:09] 5,

[00:17:09] The world's changed,

[00:17:10] hasn't it,

[00:17:10] with streaming and everything else?

[00:17:11] It's 10 past 5 on Christmas Day.

[00:17:13] Ah,

[00:17:14] right,

[00:17:14] 10 past 5,

[00:17:15] yeah,

[00:17:15] right.

[00:17:15] Oh,

[00:17:16] okay.

[00:17:17] And then Strictly straight after.

[00:17:19] Is that right?

[00:17:20] Back to back.

[00:17:21] And then,

[00:17:21] of course,

[00:17:22] it's,

[00:17:22] you know,

[00:17:23] after having had a massive lunch,

[00:17:24] then it's time for a picky tea.

[00:17:27] So,

[00:17:27] you know,

[00:17:28] that's what is,

[00:17:28] everybody has a picky tea.

[00:17:30] But you have to be careful,

[00:17:31] because you have,

[00:17:32] if you eat the,

[00:17:33] eat the Christmas decorations by mistake,

[00:17:36] you get,

[00:17:36] Tinsulators.

[00:17:39] Do you?

[00:17:40] Do you?

[00:17:42] Is that right?

[00:17:47] I'm more and more,

[00:17:49] Jill,

[00:17:49] I'm really longing for Christmas to be over.

[00:17:52] I don't know why it's this podcast that's done that,

[00:17:54] but more and more.

[00:17:56] You're poor family on Christmas Day,

[00:17:59] Jill.

[00:18:03] Are you all prepared for it though?

[00:18:05] Is that the thing?

[00:18:05] Are you all set?

[00:18:06] Are you all?

[00:18:07] Do you know what?

[00:18:08] Not in the slightest.

[00:18:09] It starts this weekend.

[00:18:10] Normally,

[00:18:11] we usually start Christmas quite early in December,

[00:18:13] but we've been having some really weird work stuff this year.

[00:18:15] So,

[00:18:16] so,

[00:18:17] and I've had this awful flu that's been doing the,

[00:18:19] doing the doings of.

[00:18:20] It's actually not been very well.

[00:18:21] So,

[00:18:22] we'll start on this Christmas,

[00:18:23] this Saturday,

[00:18:24] I mean.

[00:18:26] Yeah.

[00:18:27] Yeah.

[00:18:27] How about you?

[00:18:28] Yeah.

[00:18:29] I mean,

[00:18:29] I don't,

[00:18:30] I mean,

[00:18:30] I haven't got,

[00:18:31] you know,

[00:18:31] big families.

[00:18:32] I don't have a huge amount to do.

[00:18:34] So,

[00:18:34] I'm lucky.

[00:18:35] I don't,

[00:18:35] there's not a huge amount to me to sort of do for Christmas.

[00:18:38] So,

[00:18:38] I'm sort of working,

[00:18:40] you know,

[00:18:41] I'm still at work.

[00:18:41] So,

[00:18:42] not today because I'm off this annual leave.

[00:18:44] I'm not doing,

[00:18:45] I don't get paid to do the pod,

[00:18:47] but I mean,

[00:18:48] in my day job,

[00:18:49] I'm winding down before Christmas.

[00:18:51] Yeah.

[00:18:54] Yeah.

[00:18:54] I mean,

[00:18:55] it's a bit of a time off.

[00:18:56] They don't mean the same.

[00:18:57] I don't think they mean the same.

[00:18:59] And they meant more to me when I was married.

[00:19:00] I think,

[00:19:01] I mean,

[00:19:02] you know,

[00:19:02] just because I had somebody to share it with more,

[00:19:04] I guess.

[00:19:05] Yes.

[00:19:05] But,

[00:19:06] but yeah,

[00:19:07] no,

[00:19:08] I mean,

[00:19:08] it's,

[00:19:08] it's nice to have,

[00:19:09] it's a period as much as anything,

[00:19:10] just have a break in the year.

[00:19:12] I think that's it.

[00:19:13] And,

[00:19:13] you know,

[00:19:14] and draw breath a little bit for me,

[00:19:16] you know,

[00:19:17] and then,

[00:19:18] you know,

[00:19:18] sort of gather ourselves really.

[00:19:19] I think that's sort of my mindset a little bit,

[00:19:22] but yeah.

[00:19:24] Yeah.

[00:19:25] I'm as prepared as I ever am,

[00:19:26] which is not much because.

[00:19:28] Yeah.

[00:19:29] I'm,

[00:19:30] I get away with not too much preparation.

[00:19:33] I think it's a,

[00:19:34] it's a good time.

[00:19:35] It's a good time.

[00:19:36] You know,

[00:19:36] if you've been helping out around the house and,

[00:19:40] you know,

[00:19:41] it's a good time to see a therapist,

[00:19:44] especially if you're helping Santa and you've got low elf esteem.

[00:19:49] That doesn't even,

[00:19:50] that doesn't even work.

[00:19:53] It's just got elf.

[00:19:59] Do you know,

[00:20:00] I know you're a fan of Santa.

[00:20:03] Do you know what sort of motorbike you ride?

[00:20:05] Please,

[00:20:07] please,

[00:20:07] please,

[00:20:09] please,

[00:20:11] please,

[00:20:12] please,

[00:20:12] please stop.

[00:20:13] The love of everything.

[00:20:15] Holy.

[00:20:16] Think of the baby Jesus and stop Jill.

[00:20:20] Well,

[00:20:21] on that note,

[00:20:21] enjoy your day.

[00:20:23] Enjoy Dr.

[00:20:24] Who.

[00:20:24] I will try my very best.

[00:20:25] Enjoy mince pie.

[00:20:27] Oh,

[00:20:28] yes.

[00:20:28] Such like.

[00:20:28] In fact,

[00:20:29] I think I used to remember a joke about mince pie.

[00:20:33] You've forgotten that joke,

[00:20:35] Jill.

[00:20:35] I'm sure you have a lovely Christmas,

[00:20:38] my darling.

[00:20:39] And you next week's episode,

[00:20:42] when we're going to actually tackle some of the big issues and boy,

[00:20:45] there's some issues to tackle.

[00:20:46] We'll solve all the world's problems.

[00:20:49] As a new resolution for the podcast.

[00:20:52] That's our aim.

[00:20:53] That's it.

[00:20:54] That'll do just that.

[00:20:55] That'll do.

[00:20:55] No,

[00:20:55] no,

[00:20:56] I love to.

[00:20:56] Happy Christmas,

[00:20:57] everybody.

[00:20:58] And you take care all.

[00:20:59] Bye.

[00:20:59] Bye.

[00:21:00] Bye.

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[00:21:08] It's been a joy to have you with us.

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